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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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"Aragorn says the risk of snow lessens in the south, and at lower altitudes. Therefore it can be logically deduced that risk of snow is greater in the north, and at higher altitudes."
He didn't assert the storms occur more North, just higher up mountain level. Again, you're infering. "were not thinking of risks." I didn't say they weren't, Legolas. "Aragorn uses the word "risk" in the comment at the top of this post." Did I say Aragorn doesn't mention 'risk'? I asserted no one talked about 'risk' regarding the High Pass as a passage to use.
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About arguments against heading west from Rivendell:
As it turned out the path might well have been clear if the Fellowship had left immediately after the Council, certainly Nazgul would have been a nonfactor, as was quickly established (by a high probability) at the Council, and I question using months to push that probability up a bit by searching far to the north, south, and east, as Aragorn etc. did- as opposed to leaving right away. The point of encountering different cultures is a good one. I've thought of it and it seems JRRT could have rearranged things to cover almost all (for example, relocating Lorien to an area in Andrast), then having the Fellowship attacked and splitting up, the three walkers chasing orcs and Merry and Pippin while Sam and Frodo go across south Gondor, receiving aid from Imrahil (including crossing the Anduin). This would still allow Aragorn's involvement in Rohan and going on the Paths of the Dead and give Imrahil a much more interesting/complex situation. However, it doesn't seem to realistically allow for a direct (even if relocated) Moria involvement. You'd probably have to cram too much into one area. The overall point of water travel in a preindustrial age is that it is much faster (and if deep ocean travel is avoided) generally much safer then land travel, and coastal travel, at least to the Andrast, would seem to fulfill those requirements.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: KC, Missouri
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From my own evalutations, I have come the conclusion that there was no direction which the Fellowship could have taken them that would been any safer or quicker than the others. For instance, going South would have taken them into Dunland home of the Wildmen, then there was Isengard and the very long trip through the fifes of Gondor. Going North you would have taken them either through one of the several dangerous passes crawling with Orcs, Giants and Trolls or into the Fordowaith, where many evil things such as Dragons lurked. West, would have been the very longest trip of course. Finally, East threw Rhun which would probably be the most dangerous route considering the evil kingdoms of Men that dwelt there.
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles)
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coast south to Andrast would be much faster then walking, and you could postulate some further help across south Gondor by Imrahil.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: May 2006
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"even a fast sea voyage means needless extra time if you're starting in Rivendell." Hear, hear! Longer than over the Misty Mountains, certainly.
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