Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-15-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cailín

(Oh, and, if the evil wizard is Fea, these would have been her wolves: Loki, Lalaith and Lhunardawen. I shall support this theory for now, as it seems to be no less rational or irrational than anything we come up with.)

Hang on, that's not true at all. I'd have loved to be the wizard and anybody that knows me would know it, but what with all of my [shepherdessing], I just haven't the time for those sorts of shenanigans. I want no wolves near my sheep, thanks much.

However, this is why it's that much more wrong: If I was EW, I wouldn't have picked them. Well... not two of them. Loki, yes. Lalaith and Lhuna, no. I'd have picked Loki, the phantom, and JennyHallu. One newbie to be taken for granted, one "yeah freaking right", and one just subtle enough to make a right evil wolf. That and Jen's been evil so often that I wouldn't want to break with tradition.

Next night would be morm, next would be Cailin. Actually, I might have tossed Nilp into the mix. I like my variety, wouldn't you know.

Still, I'm dead curious as to why you picked Lalaith and Lhuna for me and why you support the theory of Fea=EW.

Next tangent: I liked the cannon fodder idea.

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Originally Posted by Aimè

F....f....fe.... ahem. It's you, right? Just a guess. [img]ubb/wink.gif[/img]

Keep guessing.

Here's my afternoon schedule: stop procrastinating and write a story due at 2:15; go to class; work; don't get back until the Day is over.

So I have to vote for somebody.

Since Roa denies being "the friend," I'm now fascinated by her strong defense of Loki.

Why would anybody be defending anybody unless they had a reason? If her reason isn't that they're the friends, what is it? Since I don't have any more time to ponder, I'm going to go with that reasoning. She defended somebody very staunchly and that's a stupid idea in such an unpredictable village.

++ROA

Thinlómien · 05-15-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So I have to vote for somebody.

Since Roa denies being "the friend," I'm now fascinated by her strong defense of Loki.

Why would anybody be defending anybody unless they had a reason? If her reason isn't that they're the friends, what is it? Since I don't have any more time to ponder, I'm going to go with that reasoning. She defended somebody very staunchly and that's a stupid idea in such an unpredictable village.

Maybe the reson could simply be that she didn't believe him to be a baddie?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-15-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Maybe the reson could simply be that she didn't believe him to be a baddie?

I'm not discounting the possibility. Still, I had to vote for somebody and she was as good a choice as any, given the circumstances.

Roa_Aoife · 05-15-2006, 11:20 AM

Fea, I thought the reasons I gave for my defense of Loki were quite good. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so, but I'd like an explanation. I'd also like to point out that I was not the only one who deemed Loki innocent. At least Morm and Firefoot believed the same as I, and there may have been others, but I'm not really aware of them at the moment. As for me being just as good a choice as any, there are plenty of suspcions being thrown around today, some of which have actually good backings behind them. Maybe you should check a bit more carefully before you accuse.

And as a notice to everyone, please do not just throw away your votes randomly. We are beyond day one, and nothing has really changed except for one player switching from good to evil. We have 8 pages of evidence. randomness is not needed. Please give more thought to your votes.

Sleepy Ranger · 05-15-2006, 11:05 AM

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Since Roa denies being "the friend," I'm now fascinated by her strong defense of Loki.

Why would anybody be defending anybody unless they had a reason? If her reason isn't that they're the friends, what is it? Since I don't have any more time to ponder, I'm going to go with that reasoning. She defended somebody very staunchly and that's a stupid idea in such an unpredictable village.

But didn't Loki die innocent? As from what I know of Roa she likes to support the one who seems to be under the most fire. And anywho, past experiences tell me never trust a Fea... Now then, unfortunately I haven't been able to read through the entire thread (Evil, evil, evil illness! and also random distractions) but anyway since I don't think I'll be able to get anything reasonable formed before the deadline (or rather my bed-time) -

++Feanor

Edit: Cross-posted with Thinlomien.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-15-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

But didn't Loki die innocent? As from what I know of Roa she likes to support the one who seems to be under the most fire.

Yes he did, but nobody (okay, almost nobody) knew his innocence before his death. And my lorebooks are woefully inadequate in the Roa section. The index reads: "Roa - see "Villagers You Don't Really Know."

Okay... I'm really going to stop procrastinating now. Paper... due at 2:15... must write it...

*tears self away from village*

Valier · 05-15-2006, 11:23 AM

There has been lots of talk today so far....I see I have a vote....from Nilp! I will not defend myself on this because looking at crossposting is no way to find a wolf! Now I did find it odd that SPM got killed last night.I would have thought the wolves would want to keep him around, seeing as he gets lots of suspicion...I have many thoughts on who I think could be baddies, but not much to back them up with yet...I will post my thoughts anyways since my gut seems to be right alot of the time, even if noone notices till after I'm dead...

Baddies?

Celuien
Caranlondien
Spawn
Lhuna
Glirdan
Kitanna
Firefoot
Alcarillo
Cailin
Oddwen
Azaelia
Lalaith
Naria
Eonwe
Gurthang

Goodies?

Diamond
Roa
Lommy
Nogrod
Kath
Sleepy
Mormegil
Valier
Feanor
Phantom
Jenny
Eomer
Nilp

Ok I know there is alot of Baddies, but some I could not put down as Goodies yet so they stay there for now....My biggest suspects for toDay would be....Celuien, Caran, Kitanna, Naria, Alcarillo .Not that I have any concrete evidence yet, but I go with what I feel and toDay I thought of these....I will be around for the rest of the day, so I will have more time to read through and post some more.

JennyHallu · 05-15-2006, 11:26 AM

Roa, you speak much sense. I have also been wondering about Nogrod. It also irked me that his voting tallies were so far off...it is unlike him to be so careless.

Thinlómien · 05-15-2006, 11:27 AM

I must go now.

++Nogrod

I fear he's the evil wizard. He might be a wolf as well.

x-posted with Jenny

Valier · 05-15-2006, 11:34 AM

One thing I just noticed......Was the GW not supposed to pick another gifted last night? I see on the tally that there is only one gifted....Did I miss something?

Caranlondien · 05-15-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Valier

One thing I just noticed......Was the GW not supposed to pick another gifted last night? I see on the tally that there is only one gifted....Did I miss something?

The first night, we didn't get a gifted, because the GW scried one of the werewolves. The GW did get us a gifted last night, so now we're at 1.

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 05-15-2006, 12:04 PM

Valier, what did you think the whole issue with Loki was about then?

I'm not sure about Nogrod. He might be the EW or Wolf, you say? You make some good points, but the reason alone that he has changed his behaviour isn't very convincing. Wolves might change the way they act while they try to figure out how they could look the most innocent, but a Wolf or not, if someone is about to get lynched because of the way he acts, sure it's quite a natural thing to start acting differently then. I'm intrigued to find out if Nogrod really is a baddie, but I won't make my voting decision yet (although I have to make it soon).

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Spawn, you misunderstood me. Three wolves were picked by the EW. One would be, in my theory, "cannon fodder". This would NOT be the same wolf that was changed back.

Ah, now it makes more sense! I still rather disagree with your theory, but it's not so relevant here.

Caranlondien · 05-15-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Roa, Cara: perhaps the reason the changed wolf didn't come forward is that s/he didn't want to die. Because as a known innocent, s/he would have been a prime candidate for eating in the night.

I have considered that, and it's possible. But if it is the case, then they're not doing what's best for the village. The wolves are going to kill an innocent every night, and even worse, they might kill a gifted. Letting us know if our reasoning is going in the wrong direction would help us, and it would only lead to what's going to happen anyway: the death of an innocent.

The voting thus far: (and please correct me if I'm wrong)

1. Nilp --> Valier (Valier 1)
2. Celuien --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 1)
3. Oddwen --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 2)
4. Diamond --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1)
5. Feanor --> Roa (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1)
6. Sleepy --> Feanor (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1, Feanor 1)
7. Lommy --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 2, Roa 1, Feanor 1)

05-15-2006, 11:20 AM	#4
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Fea, I thought the reasons I gave for my defense of Loki were quite good. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so, but I'd like an explanation. I'd also like to point out that I was not the only one who deemed Loki innocent. At least Morm and Firefoot believed the same as I, and there may have been others, but I'm not really aware of them at the moment. As for me being just as good a choice as any, there are plenty of suspcions being thrown around today, some of which have actually good backings behind them. Maybe you should check a bit more carefully before you accuse. And as a notice to everyone, please do not just throw away your votes randomly. We are beyond day one, and nothing has really changed except for one player switching from good to evil. We have 8 pages of evidence. randomness is not needed. Please give more thought to your votes. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

05-15-2006, 11:23 AM	#7
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	There has been lots of talk today so far....I see I have a vote....from Nilp! I will not defend myself on this because looking at crossposting is no way to find a wolf! Now I did find it odd that SPM got killed last night.I would have thought the wolves would want to keep him around, seeing as he gets lots of suspicion...I have many thoughts on who I think could be baddies, but not much to back them up with yet...I will post my thoughts anyways since my gut seems to be right alot of the time, even if noone notices till after I'm dead... Baddies? Celuien Caranlondien Spawn Lhuna Glirdan Kitanna Firefoot Alcarillo Cailin Oddwen Azaelia Lalaith Naria Eonwe Gurthang Goodies? Diamond Roa Lommy Nogrod Kath Sleepy Mormegil Valier Feanor Phantom Jenny Eomer Nilp Ok I know there is alot of Baddies, but some I could not put down as Goodies yet so they stay there for now....My biggest suspects for toDay would be....Celuien, Caran, Kitanna, Naria, Alcarillo .Not that I have any concrete evidence yet, but I go with what I feel and toDay I thought of these....I will be around for the rest of the day, so I will have more time to read through and post some more. __________________ grand return?........ Last edited by Valier; 05-15-2006 at 11:27 AM. Reason: Fixed list

05-15-2006, 11:26 AM	#8
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Roa, you speak much sense. I have also been wondering about Nogrod. It also irked me that his voting tallies were so far off...it is unlike him to be so careless. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

05-15-2006, 11:27 AM	#9
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I must go now. ++Nogrod I fear he's the evil wizard. He might be a wolf as well. x-posted with Jenny __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-15-2006, 11:34 AM	#10
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	One thing I just noticed......Was the GW not supposed to pick another gifted last night? I see on the tally that there is only one gifted....Did I miss something? __________________ grand return?........