Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[Diamond18]

(note, this'll mostly be in character 'cause I have postively no time for anything else, more serious posting will follow later tonight)

This has been a tough few days for my family -- first my father slain, then, the worrying suspicions over my husband. I didn't like to think of it, but there was something different about him ever since the whisper of Wizards came to our village. When I gave him a good swat with a battledore there was something odd in his eyes. Not the usual submission and obedience I'm used to, no, more like he was thinking of a way to stand up and get back.

While the loss of my husband is a great blow, I must admit that I felt I lost him long ago, and this creature slain yesterday was no Nogrod. A Not-Nogrod, if you will. No I'm a widow... oh woe is me. It's all that Evil Wizard's fault -- he's the one who turned my sweet Noggie into a spawn of evil.

And my poor Zali. Her lover, dead. (My sorrow for his family as well.) At least she and they have the comfort of knowing he died a hero's death, valiantly ridding our village of yet another foul being. Believe me, I know when I say it's harder to lose your lover to evil than to a battle with evil. To think, my husband was one of the beasts that killed my father. The irony is truly, not lost on me.

Okay. That's it. My Zali is locked inside her room crying her eyes out, and I must go tend to her. I'll return later after my mothering duties are complete.

(Oh, and I'm not surprised they killed tp. The EW might have wanted to turn him at a later stage, but he was being far, far too eager to help the village and likely annoyed the EW too much. He made better Gifted material than Evil material, if you see what I mean. I have much more to say, but zilch time to say it in.)

[Firefoot]

I went back and did my own research on Eomer, and I found that Morm was right: Eomer seems alarmingly obsessed with the EW; he mentions him in almost every post in theoreticals about what he might be doing. Here are a few samples that I found particularly interesting:

Take it as a compliment: I'd curse you if I was evil.

Notice the smilie... and the other smilies in the quotes. They seem to be remarkably similar in placement.

Nogrod, like I said: To my mind, you would be a good pick for the EW. I voted for you out of everyone on my list because you had a vote already, and I wanted to narrow the suspect list down (like Firefoot suggested). In that case, it was you or Oddwen; and because Lommy (a close friend of yours, I believe) had been voicing concerns about you I thought it might be a decent hunch.

I don't see why, if you are innocent, the village should spend their time slaying those who voted for you. Pretty much every single voter is going to be mistaken on Day One!

You fit my criteria; I am not at all eager to see you die. I must vote for someone.

Well, if he was the EW, of course he wouldn't be eager to see Nogrod die. But I know from my lorebooks that Eomer is not at all averse to dispensing with his own comrades to make himself look better - and he would certainly be able to afford it, in a game like this, always making new minions.

I understand the bad feeling about Thinlomien, but in my previous experience, she always gives me a bad feeling.

If I had the choice, I certainly wouldn't curse her because she is one of those villagers good at getting into trouble [read: getting lynched]. That's why I think the EW stayed away from her.

Maybe he actually did curse her, if he is the EW... if that's so, I would certainly look to Lommy.

My survival chances are among the lowest of anyone in this village: there is no way the EW is picking me to be a wolf.

Maybe Lhuna senses evil lurking somewhere within me ( ) but she's mistaken. I have never attempted to learn sorcery and I never will. Not my cup of tea.

He wouldn't be a wolf because he's the wizard? And what's with the wink?

Roa, you speak much sense to me regarding Nogrod. And, because the wolves do not know each other and wouldn't make such damning accusations (probably) against a genuinely suspicious character, I think it speaks in your favour.

I think I will be voting for him again. Oh, and Lommy, my vote from nowhere? Um...yeah, it was pretty much a random Day One vote. I could have voted for pretty much anyone. It wasn't as if I was railing against Fea and then changed my vote to Nogrod out of nowhere!

Still using Nogrod as cannon fodder...

I'm just about convinced that Eomer is the EW. He would make a brilliant one; he can be quite a formidable foe (referring to my lorebooks again).

As for the shield he always uses to head his posts, I doubt it's significant except as a tie in to his nick... Rohirrim, Rohirric shield...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So though I loathe the idea of this looking like jumping onto a bandwagon, I feel the need to say that Eomer makes me nervous. It could be a heritage thing... a temperament passed down over generations... but everything everyone else said between dawn and me getting back from a shepherdessing excursion (read: school thing) basically states what's been bothering me better than my tired mind could.

Originally Posted by Nilp

Maybe he's picking from the Ns. You've been cursed, haven't you?

*groans*

Conspiracy theorist that I am... why does this strike me as trying to kill the shepherdess with a penchant for alliteration? I've denied the 'L's, so now it's 'N's?

What was my point? I had a point when I started typing...

I give up. I'm going to tend sheep (read: go to bed) early tonight. I'll come back in the morning and try to think a bit more clearly.

[littlemanpoet]

The evil team picked the phantom to kill. The good team picked the phantom to be the hunter. Werewolves trying to kill the hunter get killed. So the good team was really lucky.

If this raises rancor, I apologize. It was a call I had to make, and it was the same principle I used in my dry runs. I did admit to being a little dicey on how to use the Hunter, so this was how I used the Hunter. Expect the same in the future of this game.

Thank you, that is all.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

The evil team picked the phantom to kill. The good team picked the phantom to be the hunter. Werewolves trying to kill the hunter get killed. So the good team was really lucky.

If this raises rancor, I apologize. It was a call I had to make, and it was the same principle I used in my dry runs. I did admit to being a little dicey on how to use the Hunter, so this was how I used the Hunter. Expect the same in the future of this game.

Thank you, that is all.

This is what I was referring to...

[Lalaith]

I'm sorry, I'm going mad. Where did LMP put that post, I can't find it. *sobs*

[Lalaith]

Ok, found it now. *dries eyes*. Sorry.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I have just realized that I won't get home tomorrow until one hour after the end of the Day, at least from how it looks now.

This is rediculous, I know. I wish I participated more. And I know that a vote this early looks suspicious, but every vote counts.

So here's my rationale:

Alcarillo looks pretty darn fanged and furry from here, but I think that if we can catch the EW, we should make every effort to do so, because the EW can make 'em faster than we can lynch 'em. I was willing to give him a chance to get back in line after yesterDay, figuring that his defensiveness was just because he was innocent and under fire. But his first post toDay is overblown and completely devoid of information.

Oddwen looked pretty suspicious to me yesterday as well, but after Naria's attempt to shift things her direction, I believe she is innocent.

I'm going to vote for Eomer because he has, at the very least, an unhealthy obsession with the EW. I realize that this is happening without giving him any chance to defend himself, which is not ideal. He's come alarmingly close, with some of his guesses to the inner workings of the EW's mind. I do not want to lynch my would-be brother in law without good reason, but I feel like his behavior is unsettling, to say the least. I believe that he's being far too open about the wizard thing. Sure, I have my opinions, too, but I have, like others, chosen to keep them to myself for fear that they inadvertanly help the EW. He also doesn't seem to be giving much thought to "if I were the good wizard".(though that could be deliberate--he, like others, may just be trying to throw the focus off the GW)

So I'm going to vote now for

++Eomer

I hope you all can forgive me for an unfortunate double case of RLcoincidenceopia and TimeZoneitis, and for not giving Eomer the chance to defend himself. This is not the way I prefer to play, and I apologize.

Should Eomer turn out to be innocent, I think it's fairly obvious that we ought to look closely at Mormegil who got this bandwaggon-to-be rolling.

(Again, apologies, all. I have an extra-long rehearsal tomorrow and school. I'm really sorry. This was unforseen, but will clear up, I hope, by Thursday or Friday at the latest.)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You join a bandwaggon, then include this escape clause:

Should Eomer turn out to be innocent, I think it's fairly obvious that we ought to look closely at Mormegil who got this bandwaggon-to-be rolling. (Zali)

Now, I believe your reasons for voting early, but this doesn't sit well with me. I vote early all the time, but I am willing to take actions for my vote, even if another person started the accusation.

All this after:

I hope you all can forgive me for [ . . . ] not giving Eomer the chance to defend himself. This is not the way I prefer to play, and I apologize. (Zali)

You'll let others defend themselves for the vote you cast, should Eomer turn out innocent, eh?

We still have 25 villagers. Every vote doesn't have to count. If you were uncomfortable with your vote you should have abstained.

As I said, interesting vote.

[Eonwe]

Wow, this is going surrpirsingly well. I thought we'd firmly grasping in the iron grip of the evil wizard right now, but it looks as if the sun is shining through.

Anyway, I'm don't have much to say right now. But I am filing things away for future notice.

Eomer is a tough nut to crack, and I'm sure he wants it that way. Bluff or double-Bluff, you tell me. I might vote for him tomarrow afternoon when I get back, but we'll have to wait and see how things develop.

What morm says makes sense. But I don't like throwing people out on gut feelings, unless they're mine. So I think I'll sleep on it.

Holy cow, that list is freaking long. It's almost 11 here so I think I'll turn in. Sorry I can't be much more use, but I'll putter along as best as I can.

[Diamond18]

Okay. I'm back. Zali, as you can all see, is a strong lass able to deal with the loss of her lover (a trait inherited from me, no doubt.)

I had this stupendous realization tonight while at work (because, really, would I be thinking about work while working? -- never) and wanted to share it, but I see I've been beaten to it. The realization was the the wolves probably know who each other are. There is the possibility that the Evil Wizard informed them of each others' identities, for his own diabolical purposes.

Let's take a look at Day 1 (again). I am going to operate under the assumption that Loki was made into a wolf by the Evil Wizard, and that the motivation for this was to get him hung. As has been said, he was a likely lynch candidate from the get-go. The EW may well have told the other two wolves who each other were and who Loki was and instructed them go after him. Or, as another possibility, to play Good Cop, Bad Cop with him. Nogrod, obviously, would be the Bad Cop. This way, when he died and turned out to be a Wolf, one or both of the other two wolves would be looking pretty good to the village.

Of course, the Good Wizard put a wrench in things by uncursing him. But perhaps the Evil Wizard didn't have time to change these plans, or decided to go ahead with them anyway.

I do not think that Loki, as a wolf, was told anything about his fellow wolves' identities -- I think this because he probably would have told the village this once he was uncursed, especially since one of his wolvish compatriots was going after him. (Of course, his finals thoughts, citing Nog, me, and Roa as baduns to keep a close eye on, could be seen as a hint -- but why hint when you could just say it out?) Which is why I think the Evil Wizard may have been totally using him as a whipping boy, keeping him in the dark and setting the other wolves on him. What the Evil Wizard himself would have been doing during the Day, I'm not sure.

Morm, quite an interesting case against Eomer you've got. I'd like to point out, though, that his obsession with the Evil Wizard might be due to him being the Good Wizard. The GW, I am sure, is at least privately obsessed with the EW, just as the EW is at least privately obsessed with the GW. Somehow, I think the GW would be more public about his obsession. I'm not saying I think you're wrong, per se... but I'd like to see more Evilness from Eomer's posts than just a preoccupation with the identity and thought process of the EW.

Anyway, I'd like to fit him in with my theory, see if our theories jive at all... I'll have to read over posts again to do that. My theory, by the way, leads me to believe that taking a close look at the way people interacted or talked about Loki and Nogrod is very key, since the third original wolf likely knew that both of them were Night 1 wolves. (I am pretty sure Nogrod was a Night 1 wolf, because his odd behavior started right away Day 1.) If Naria was the third Night 1 wolf, this really makes no difference, but if Naria was turned on either Night 2 or Night 3, that means one of the original wolves is still around.

[Gurthang]

Excellent work, phantom! May your heroic death be sung forever!

Originally Posted by Eonwe

What morm says makes sense.

I hate to say this, but I don't agree. I mean, I feel uneasy about Eomer, too, but I usually do. He seemed overly eager to convince us he isn't a wolf, and I'll give this to you, morm, Eomer is a great bad guy like you said.

But I don't like this too much:

Originally Posted by mormegil

Well looking over the list of who I could ask to think on my observation I cannot see an equal to the phantom so I will defer and be plain. I got consider Eomer of the Rohirrim last night, not in jest as I did the first day but in ernest. There are a handful of items that really stick out to me and worth mentioning. He constantly mentions "if I were the EW" I would do this or convert this person, oddly he's been very accurate. He also has been using the shield icon rather frequently, as we know this can be used to indicate some status. It might be coincidence but perhaps he's trying to communicate something, he wouldn't be so obvious as to use the 'evil' symbols but rather a good symbol. Eomer is a brazen character and wouldn't shirk at the thought of killing off his wolves, looking at the vote for Nogrod indicates he did just that. This is perfectly in sync with the modus operandi of Eomer and would make a good choice for the EW for multiple reasons.

Okay, mainly it's the icon argument. I think it's completely ridiculous. The Evil Wizard would have no need to 'indicate some status'. That'd be like a werewolf giving a hint to his furriness. I just don't see Eomer doing that.

You may be right about him always being right with his "if I were the EW" comments, but I'd point to the same argument above. If he was the Evil Wizard, he'd have no reason to say what he was doing. It'd be stupid. Maybe a bold bluff, but way too bold if you ask me.

I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, but I am quite surprised by this sudden tidal wave of support for his death. Your case seems a bit trumped up, morm, although I do like that you used a lot of his quotes. I would like a few more comments on them, though.


As far as other suspects go, I agree that Alcarillo is not acting normal. His first post toDay was nonsense. Maybe he was just having some fun, but it doesn't look good combined with yesterday. I'm also a little concerned with Lhuna's absence; and this vote from Azaelia doesn't sit right at all.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

I'm just a bit uneasy about Mormegil, but I think that's mainly because he hasn't gotten much scrutiny, and I just don't want someone to slip past us.

I tend to agree Caran, but I want to add that we probably ought to scrutinize others too because there are many, you included, who aren't under much currently. However, your willingness to think outside the box coupled with your past behavior tends to make me believe you to be innocent.

Originally Posted by Azaelia

Should Eomer turn out to be innocent, I think it's fairly obvious that we ought to look closely at Mormegil who got this bandwaggon-to-be rolling.

I'm sorry Azaelia, I fail to see this logic. If you mean that I should be lynched if Eomer is innocent then I doubt many innocents will step forward with theories. We simply must put forward our ideas and assumptions. It is obvious to me that something is odd in Eomer, now it's probable with a village this size that he is innocent but if we don't put forward our best guesses how will we know. I would rather assert my own ideas independently and let others judge then be wantonly persuaded at every passing theory of others. If you mean, like Caran, that you should look closer at me I fully agree, there are many others whom we should investigate a bit further I simply took Eomer from my reading yesterday as the most suspicious.

Cross posted with Nilp