Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Fea has cheerfully told the village she's the Evil Wizard. The question is, is she joking? Must ponder...

Wait... I said that? Where?

I know that I promised a more in depth post with all conclusions based on analyzation thus far, but something's just come up and I'm uncertain as to whether or not I'll be able to do it. If I can't get it all done and posted before the end of the day, be sure it will be my first post "tomorrow." Sorry 'bout that... blasted real life interrupting at inopportune moments...

[Valier]

You're weaving yet another odd tale, Roa,"

I know this is in the Narration, but I find this extremely odd as well......Weaving TALES are we? You know....this sounds like Roa's making alot of bluffing stories....I know we shouldn't use this, but where does it say that there isn't a shred of truth in the deaths?

[JennyHallu]

Originally Posted by Fea

Wait... I said that? Where?[

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=230

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Jenny... there's a reason I used a smiley! D'ya think he actually thought I was EW? Remember why I said he wasn't? Because he's not stupid. I'd like to think that I'm equally intelligent, thank you. Teasing was simply teasing.

"Fea's evil." "Yes, dear, of course I am. Now let's be serious, shall we?"

The reason I came back to the village (read: my computer): whether I can get a lengthy post up or not, I'll be back to vote before the day ends.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Roa

Not only that, but people seem to have missed one ibvious factor of the EW's choices. The EW would want to pick people who wouldn't be likely choicces of the GW. This way, he/she/it keeps the werewolf count high, and avoids being discovered longer. For these reasons, I think Loki's claim is a likely one.

I found this as well and it seems to have been true....I think Nogrod and Naria would have been bad picks for the GW, hence good picks for the EW. Also Loki could be in this list as well... Sounds Fishy to me that Roa's "plan" came true...Could just be a coincedence, but I doubt it...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Precisely Gurthang! That's what made me hesitate to post the theory, because Fea might do all that stuff anyway. She does come across as a bit.....well, a bit much, if you'll follow me. Plus, if I may take the chance to use a line they always use against me: "We're gonna lynch her anyway, might as well do it now!"

(That wasn't serious, by the way.)

Oh, Kit. That hurts me. Is it because I said you'd make an ace EW pick? I'll forgive you: SPM and Naria's doom must still be hurting you.

Diamond's thoughts on Azaelia are interesting. I will go to scour these words...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Morm, I must disagree. Your case against me was pretty much that I was pulling off this tremendous bluff. My case against Fea concerned her odd behaviour and ideas.

Anyway, Valier: could you explain why Nogrod and Naria would have been bad picks for the GW? I'm not sure I get it.

[Valier]

According to my lorebooks Eomer, both Naria and Nogrod's ancestors were always highly suspected in the early days and most of the time found to be baddies or Goodies, so the GW would stay away from people they know will get killed early on, but the EW would think the other way...since these two get suspected as evil most of the time, they (EW) would hope they would get dismissed on these points this game....I hope this makes sense.. My ansestors in the Lore books have always made strange connections like this and they mostly work out and as I attempted to sleep last night (RL) I made these connections. After I learned that Naria was infact a wolf as was Nogrod, my brain came up with connections between Roa, Diamond, Kath or Sleepy as the EW and after I read through their posts, I begain to see odd things as I have posted above.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Morm, I must disagree. Your case against me was pretty much that I was pulling off this tremendous bluff. My case against Fea concerned her odd behaviour and ideas.

The way I see it Eomer is that we are both saying "Here's a character that is acting in such a way that they could be the EW if said person behaves in a particular way." Both people we theorized about behave the way necissary to meet those conditions however, that is normal behavior for those individuals therefore it might go either way. I'm not saying there isn't merit to your arguement but like mine it's rather contingent and a bit circumstantial.

PS sorry for making so many short post in a short amount of time but that's the way it's had to be today playing catch up.

[mormegil]

Catching up after a meeting and I'm on post 443 and I have a couple of things to say.

Originally Posted by Diamond

Alcarillo -- I don't find in character posting to be all that suspicious

But when it's really the only thing you've done it looks a lot more suspcious in my mind.

Regarding Eomer's theory it appears to be more or less what I said about him doesn't it. In essence he thinks Fea might be because she's spoken about the EW a lot. I don't think it's convincing but it's worth considering. I pride myself on being able to assess Fea well enough and I think her likely innocent currently.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Valier

I know this is in the Narration, but I find this extremely odd as well......Weaving TALES are we? You know....this sounds like Roa's making alot of bluffing stories....I know we shouldn't use this, but where does it say that there isn't a shred of truth in the deaths?

I'll stop here and comment again.

Valier whatever we think of Roa it's not fair to include a quote from the narration into our discussion. LMP wouldn't give away any hints about the status of anybody so please do not use this as any evidence.

[Valier]

Ok, Ok I won't use the narration against her....I know LMP is not daft, but where does it say that we may not use the narration? I found other odd things by Roa besides the narration though.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Valier

Ok, Ok I won't use the narration against her....I know LMP is not daft,

Good!

Originally Posted by Valier

but where does it say that we may not use the narration?

YOU MAY NOT USE THE NARRATION FOR EVIDENCE!!!!

It says it right here

Originally Posted by Valier

I found other odd things by Roa besides the narration though.

Great than use those not the narration it is unfair to those who you are attempting to incriminate and unfair to restrict LMP from writting what he desires to write as to avoid suspicion being cast upon that person.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Morm

Great than use those not the narration it is unfair to those who you are attempting to incriminate and unfair to restrict LMP from writting what he desires to write as to avoid suspicion being cast upon that person.

Agreed!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Time for me to vote.

I was debating with myself whether I should vote for Celuien or Zali since both of the ladies look rather suspicious to me. Still, Zali's behaviour with all the apologies etc. makes me suspect her a tad more, so here goes.

++Azaelia

Good Night!

[Thinlómien]

It's my time to go also.

++Eomer

I see that we're going to have three lynching candidates (Alc, Zali, Eomer) and of those I don't suspect Zali and as if Eomer's a baddie he's probably the EW, but if Alc is a baddie he's probably just a wolf, so I think Eomer is more dangerous.

I think we should be concentrating on possible EWs by now.

Good night.

[Lalaith]

Oh, Kit. That hurts me. Is it because I said you'd make an ace EW pick? I'll forgive you: SPM and Naria's doom must still be hurting you.

What links Saucie and Naria in your mind, master Eomer? Please elaborate.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

What links Saucie and Naria in your mind, master Eomer? Please elaborate.

I may be at a loss for actual theories right now, but at least I can explain this one. SPM was Kitanna's father, and Naria was his sister.

[Lalaith]

I was so engrossed in the game, I'd forgotten those blasted family trees. Thanks, Caran.

[Caranlondien]

Oops, I meant "her sister"; Naria was Kitanna's sister.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Valier

I know this is in the Narration, but I find this extremely odd as well......Weaving TALES are we? You know....this sounds like Roa's making alot of bluffing stories....I know we shouldn't use this, but where does it say that there isn't a shred of truth in the deaths?

DO NOT USE THE NARRATIONS AS CLUES. CLUES DON'T EXIST IN THE NARRATIONS.

[Valier]

*On knees, begging for forgiveness* I appologize! It will not happen again! I see that my ways were wrong and unfair....

[Roa_Aoife]

Actually, I think Zali is still in the lead with four votes. Eomer, Valier and I all have three unless I've miscounted.

Ah, I see. I missed Nilp's vote. My bad.

[Valier]

Six more people left to vote and less then ten minutes left in the game......Dun, Dun DUUUUHHH!!! (Those were sound effects if you couldn't tell)

Edit: make that five...

[Roa_Aoife]

You were right the first time, Valier. The current non-voters are:

Lhuna, Glirdan, Alcarillo, Oddwen, and Eonwe.

Edit: removing Lal from my list.

[Lalaith]

Oh dear, I knew I shouldn't have left it so long to vote.
Well, I don't think Zali is the most likely wolf, she's too like Naria if you know what I mean.
I would rather keep Eomer around for a while, I'm inclined to trust him. (Although look at my instincts about Nogrod, completely out, but there you go...)
So as I've been uneasy about her since yesterday anyway, I'll go for

++CELUIEN

[Lalaith]

I forgot to mention Valier, sorry...I'm not happy about her either and will look at her more closely tomorrow, if we are all spared....

[Celuien]

Well, there you have it. I'm toast unless two votes show up in the next five minutes.

When will they ever learn?

I am innocent. And I die with no stain of joining the team that killed my husband.

Best of luck to all of you anyway. Get those wolves and that dastardly EW for me!

Fare well.

[Caranlondien]

All right, this looks like I'm jumping on a bandwagon, but my internet connection was down and I haven't really had time to explain my thinking...

++Celuien

I don't really feel good about voting for any of the choices. I was leaning towards Zali, but I just don't want to vote for her when she's not here, for obvious reasons. And I had missed the points on Celuien, too. Sorry if you're innocent, Celuien!

[Celuien]

Sings: Where have all the flowers gone?

There's now a tie between Zali and me.

There are no multiple lynchings.

If the tie remains unbroken, which of us dies? I have a feeling that either way we've lost an innocent.

[Caranlondien]

1. Azaelia --> Eomer (Eomer-1)
2. Nilp --> Azaelia (Eomer -1, Azaelia-1)
3. Celuien --> Alcarillo (Eomer-1, Azaelia-1, Alcarillo-1)
4. Diamond --> Azaelia (Eomer-1, Azaelia-2, Alcarillo-1)
5. spawn --> Azaelia (Eomer-1, Azaelia-3, Alcarillo-1)
6. Thin --> Eomer (Eomer-2, Azaelia-3, Alcarillo-1)
7. Sleepy --> Fea (Eomer-2, Azaelia-3, Alcarillo-1, Fea-1)
8. Fea --> Roa (Eomer-2, Azaelia-3, Alcarillo-1, Fea-1, Roa-1)
9. mormegil --> Alcarillo (Eomer-2, Azaelia-3, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-1)
10. Kath --> Valier (Eomer-2, Azaelia-3, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-1, Valier-1)
11. Gurthang --> Azaelia (Eomer-2, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-1, Valier-1)
12. Valier --> Roa (Eomer-2, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-1)
13. Cailín --> Celuien (Eomer-2, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-1, Celuien-1)
14. Kitanna --> Celuien (Eomer-2, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-1, Celuien-2)
15. Firefoot --> Eomer (Eomer-3, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-1, Celuien-2)
16. Eomer --> Valier (Eomer-3, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-2, Celuien-2)
17. Jenny --> Valier (Eomer-3, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-3, Celuien-2)
18. Roa --> Celuien (Eomer-3, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-3, Celuien-3)
19. Caran --> Celuien (Eomer-3, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-3, Celuien-4)

[Caranlondien]

If the tie remains, Zali goes because she reached 4 first.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Lalaith, who broke the tie...