Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[Boromir88]

This is the gaming thread and I suggest we take this discussion out and continue what should be done here...which is finding someone to lynch. If you have a problem you can always PM or post on the discussion thread.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And so he came unexpected from places unseen and spoke nobly with that authority to him granted by the Seal...

Quite frankly, I prefer the idea that we aren't going to have some of our numbers killed off with or without our approval.

I look with unease upon any that are dubious of the Seal's decision as unplanned-for deaths help only the wolves.

[Lalaith]

Quickly dashed back as I just had a thought, which I'd better share now in case I'm lynched later or eaten toNight.
I've been wondering why on earth Roa spent all that time on my posts yesterday. Probably as I said before to look helpful.
But maybe it's because I said something at some point that she didn't want anyone to remember. Di had wanted my posts analysed and Roa didn't want an innocent to do it, so she did it herself and left something important out. I haven't got time now to go over it myself, I will tomorrow if I'm still here.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Does no-one else think that this could be a huge hint? i.e. Azaelia and/or Glirdan is furry and fanged?

Don't mean to bring the game into disrepute or anything but I'm trying to work with whatever comes my way.

Back soon with a comment on Diamond and Roa.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Does no-one else think that this could be a huge hint? i.e. Azaelia and/or Glirdan is furry and fanged?

If by "this" you mean LMP's decision to let the villagers do things themselves, then no... I don't think it at all. I have too much faith in the Seal's virtue to believe that he'd intentionally hint us anything and too much in his care to believe that he'd let anything slip.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The quarrel between Roa and Diamond yesterday did not strike me as being genuine. Actually, now knowing Roa's evil secret, it now looks pathetically ad hoc. Accusations of name-calling and arrogance, there was no need for it at the time. Agree to disagree, please. I'm naturally suspicious of anyone who feels the need to defend oneself in such an abrasive manner. My family (what's left of it — O Eru! I just realised I'm the only one! ) are well aware of the consequences wrought from the pressure of a dark secret.

So, Diamond, right now I'm thinking that you and Roa constructed that little scenario in order to open a chasm of neutrality, where every villager must choose one or the other and one of you would benefit from the death of t'other.

And the main reason I say this is because it was you who came across as more desperate yesterday, not Roa. Had you nothing to hide you would have taken Roa's alleged taunts less seriously, I am sure. But you really wanted to send a message to the village, this split with Roa had to be underlined. Come to think of it, you also got quite heated with Loki.

Not that I want to push your buttons.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

But Fea, delicate balances? Why not just let them perish?

I speak not of virtue, but of realisation.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Whatever. I doubt he'd do anything that would intentionally warp proceedings.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Me too.

[Kath]

Eomer I would think if we were treating it as a hint that it would mean the opposite, that the two are innocent. Whoever did the stats earlier showed that we are pretty much screwed. There isn't much of a balance right now, the bad guys are winning, even without the EW.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

No, no, no. I'm not saying that this was a hint by intention. I'm saying that it could be read in ways that will give us hints in catching wolves. And Kath, I don't want to see this negative attitude from you! Why on earth shouldn't the village win? Statistics, schmatistics, I say. We have plenty of chances to get this right.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Not that I want to push your buttons.

Nah, because it's so fun to watch you be so terribly wrong.

[Sleepy Ranger]

++JennyHallu

Rather obvious that she is someone Roa would pick.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Rather obvious that she is someone Roa would pick.

May I ask why she would be a good pick?

[Diamond18]

Right now I almost feel like voting for Sleepy just because of his continued non-participation and bandwaggony vote there for Jenny. I'm not convinced, personally, that Roa would turn Jenny so soon after Jenny's recent evilness, and the fact that they're familiar with each other doesn't mean diddly squat to me since she's familiar with me, too. And Jenny's posts toDay feel somewhat innocent to me. I've been fooled before, but I can't just ignore my instincts or that will cause even more confusion and hysteria in my posts. So let's please not jump all over Jenny, toDay. I realize that if Jenny turns out to be a wolf and dies before me, this will be a bad stance, but I bloody well don't care anymore. There is no more chance for me to be turned into a wolf and get lynched for stuff I said while innocent, so, do your worst to me.

However, even Sleepy's current uber-Sleepiness won't divert me from my more long term suspicion.

Reasons why I think Lalaith is a good vote.

Roa's analysis of her the other day expressed some suspicions but was overall somewhat neutral, and her final opinion was this:

After all this, there are some things that tweak me about Lal, but not enough for me to consider her guilty. My only concern is that she may be the wolf from last night, since she's intelligent and vocal but hasn't drawn much suspicion as of yet.

I get the feeling this is all to appease my outspoken worries to the effect that Lalaith was being overlooked -- here the EW looks at her wolf, presents a few fairly reasonable suspicions, but soothes the overall view. The comment about her possibly being turned most recently doesn't really encourage anyone to start voting for her. I just got the feeling that we were supposed to look at Lalaith, feel satisfied, then look away for the time being. This just doesn't sit well with me, especially since I do find some of Lal's actions suspicious, especially after reading the overview.

Morm still scares me, just because I can well see him coasting to the end on the argument that you can't lynch him just because you fear what he could be if he were evil. However, I honestly can't find anything wolfish in his actual posts. So I can't vote. Eomer is pointing fingers at Glirdan and Zali for reasons pertaining to the Mod's actions, which is always looked at askance, but frankly I can see his point (if you were the mod and faced with knocking off your wolves, would you?) so I'm prepared to not think it suspicious of him, per se. His view on the Roa/Diamond issue is charmingly inaccurate -- I find the idea that I never overreact when innocent to be the stuff of belly laughs. I find Kath's behavior to be a bit sketchy right now, being angry with the Mod God for sparing lives and claiming her brain hurts -- I've seen that before from her duckish ancestor. But since I've got my eye on Lal for toDay I'll worry about Kath later. The other villagers right now are too quiet or hard to pin down to really comment on.

+ + LALAITH

I'm going to catch a wolf or die trying.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

I'm going to catch a wolf or die trying.

But at least you'll go out with the moral highground and whatnot, no?

[Kath]

Ah it wasn't the brain last time Di but the lungs! And to repeat, I wasn't angry because of what the rule was changed to, but because the rule was changed after a post I made which had a fair sized portion on why we were fine to ignore those who would die anyway. I was cross because it meant I had to rethink it.

Ok, Eomer.

Sleepy's vote for Jenny looked barely thought-out. I'd like to see some more reasoning from him though before we do anything drastic about it. If he can come up with something.

Diamond your points on Lalaith are good. I can see how Roa might try to deflect suspicion by analysing her herself. It would also give us a 'middling' wolf. Someone who posts enough and with substance, and has been neither ignored nor persecuted by Roa.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You answer me well, Diamond; and you understand my point about Azaelia and Glirdan.

Sleepy came crashing into my suspicions with his odd behaviour yesterday. Recall how he accused me of making an evil Freudian slip and then said that it excuses me. Not only was there blatantly no slip from me, but to excuse what he suggested as an evil confession is unacceptable villager behaviour. His vote just there is not explained well and strikes of bandwaggoning (as Diamond points out).

++SLEEPY