Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[the phantom]

1. I thought that a Night 2 wolf attack on me was fairly likely. I was sort of surprised to be picked as Hunter that night. I assumed the GW would pick a Ranger first. If I would've been made the Ranger, I would've protected myself, which would've been good since the Wolves attacked me. I refused to make a Hunter pick because the odds of hitting a wolf weren't good and I could not communicate with my Wizard during the Night to receive direction.

2. I was worried that a pick would be demanded from me. If I would've been forced to pick, Roa would've been my target. lmp- what would have happened in the game and in the narrative had I, the Hunter, picked the EW as my target?

3. Roa turned out to be a wizard, just like I said on Day 1! As the game went on and I watched from beyond the grave, I never changed my opinion on that. Also, I began leaning specifically towards Roa=EW (as opposed to GW) after I was killed. (sorry, but I just had to pat myself on the back for that)

4. Gurthang was not my top suspect for GW, but at the same time I wasn't overly shocked to learn it was him.

5. The lack of Seer dreams- ouch.

6. Eomer- I had you pegged, m'boy. I believed you were a wolf, and Lalaith was innocent. You can't fool your brother.

7. I also believed fairly firmly in the innocence of Oddwen, Diamond, and Zali at the time of their deaths. Go me.

8. But on the other hand, I incorrectly suspected the innocent Glirdan, and I didn't particularly suspect wolves Nogrod and morm. Kudos to Spawn for taking morm down.

And one last thing. I'm just curious about this Roa. What did you think when I posted this on Day 1?

+ + Roa

...because Roa is a Wizard, of course.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I was worried that a pick would be demanded from me. If I would've been forced to pick, Roa would've been my target. lmp- what would have happened in the game and in the narrative had I, the Hunter, picked the EW as my target?

You should have done it, phantom. You would not have been able to kill her, but you would have identified her and reported back to Gurthang that Roa was the EW. It would have created a likely good team win. In a real hurry.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

You should have done it, phantom. You would not have been able to kill her, but you would have identified her and reported back to Gurthang that Roa was the EW. It would have created a likely good team win. In a real hurry.

But if phantom would have been killed, and since the Good Team couldn't PM during Night, Gurthang wouldn't have known who phantom's target was - unless by guessing, right?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hey Roa... I've been wondering...

What did you think of this post?

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by dancing spawn of ungoliant

But if phantom would have been killed, and since the Good Team couldn't PM during Night, Gurthang wouldn't have known who phantom's target was - unless by guessing, right?

That's what would make sense to me. And along those same lines, it really surprised me that Nilp was allowed to dream the Night he was turned back to an ordinary by Roa. According to the nightly order given to us, he should have been deSeerized before he got to dream at all. I suppose there is an explaination; I'd guess the whole giving Roa a second and then a third scry changed things a bit. LMP?

Originally Posted by the phantom

1. I thought that a Night 2 wolf attack on me was fairly likely. I was sort of surprised to be picked as Hunter that night. I assumed the GW would pick a Ranger first. If I would've been made the Ranger, I would've protected myself, which would've been good since the Wolves attacked me. I refused to make a Hunter pick because the odds of hitting a wolf weren't good and I could not communicate with my Wizard during the Night to receive direction.

Funny thing about that, is that I turned you into a Hunter, and then was catching up and read that you had asked me to. I was a little shocked that we had been thinking so much alike.

Oh, and I didn't want to make a Ranger, because they were practically useless. I couldn't tell him to protect my Seer without revealing my Seer to them, and that's not something I was willing to do.

[the phantom]

Just for your entertainment, Gurthang, here is the pm that I sent to Kuru after he informed me that I was changed into the Hunter.

If I survive the Night, please forward this to the GW.

The GW actually changed me? Wow. I figured for sure they'd be too worried about me dying.

Tomorrow, I was actually planning on (if I lived through the night) hinting strongly that I was the GW in an effort to get the GW and EW to scry me the same night, thus revealing the EW to the GW.

I honestly didn't expect this. Wow. I just hope I live through the night. I'd really like to be on the team with the GW for a while. The fact that the wolves killed Sauce has me worried though.

Well, with only two (plus one from tonight) wolves in a village of this size, I don't think it would be productive for me to make a Hunter pick before hearing from my Wizard. It would be damaging enough for me to be killed tonight. I would hate to damage the cause further by killing an innocent, or the Seer.

So, for tonight I pick no one.

GW, whoever you may be...

I am yours to command. If there is something you need done, let me know. Any thoughts you want to know, just ask.

I will be at work for the next five hours, so I might not be able to talk until after that.

your Hunter,
the phantom

I really hated to die so soon, but oh well, my death was useful to the village since it resulted in a Wolf death as well. Good job on that Gurth.

[Roa_Aoife]

And one last thing. I'm just curious about this Roa. What did you think when I posted this on Day 1?
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+ + Roa

...because Roa is a Wizard, of course.

I laughed, because I never take those things seriously on Day 1. It's usually just flitting around. But what gave me away?

Hey Roa... I've been wondering...

What did you think of this post?

That also amused me, because I knew all three of them could talk their way around it, and few people would take that evidence seriously when they did. I was impressed with your insight though.

And Diamond, the whole point of this after game discussion is to give thoughts and critiques on the game and the players. You don't have to read it. If you believed Loki, then you killed a known innocent in a game where those are a rare gift to have. You accuse me of judging your playing style, but you condemned him for his. That was spiteful and foolish. I don't claim to have never made mistakes, but I accept them and learn from them when they are pointed out to me. I do not attack the people who are kind enough to do so.

[Diamond18]

Wow, everything I say just goes in one ear and out the other, doesn't it, Roa? A pity. But at least I know where we stand, which is a good thing.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by dancing spawn of ungoliant

But if phantom would have been killed, and since the Good Team couldn't PM during Night, Gurthang wouldn't have known who phantom's target was - unless by guessing, right?

Attacking Roa would not have killed the phantom. In the game just past, the phantom would have been able to inform Gurthang during the Day phase.

Originally Posted by Feanor

Hey Roa... I've been wondering...What did you think of this post?

I personally thought that post was 'da bomb'.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

it really surprised me that Nilp was allowed to dream the Night he was turned back to an ordinary by Roa.

The second and third picks came AFTER the scries and dreams, etc. Good guess, Gurthang.

I found the whole game to be very revealing of the way things work in terms of the struggles between good and evil. Evil tends to have a leader who controls and uses the pawns; Good tends to have a leader who has trouble getting the rank and file to follow for all kinds of reasons. And that's just for starters. I knew it would work out that way, and was quite intrigued to see how it would do so.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I personally thought that post was 'da bomb'.

Yeah... that's me. Da bomb.

Seriously though, my only point for this post is to, yet again, say that this was one heck of an emotionally charged and very awesomely played game. Props to everyone once more.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by LMP

Attacking Roa would not have killed the phantom. In the game just past, the phantom would have been able to inform Gurthang during the Day phase.

But we killed him. Even if he had attacked me, he was going to be killed anyways. He couldn't have attacked me otherwise. So, by the time he was allowed to PM Gurthang, he'd be dead, and out of the game. You changed the hunter role quite a lot, but it wasn't quite that far gone.

[Naria]

Absolutely wonderful game had by all!! No really, I think everyone did a really great job in this one! And yes, even you Phantom....that would be why I decided to get rid of you when I did("I"meaning the first wolf to get in a pick) I knew that you would be the Hunter, but I still couldn't have you around for another Day wreaking havoc for us wolves. That being said I wouldn't pat yourself on the back too much for your "kill" .

From reading the DW discussion thread, I really think that Lmp has got some flaws ironed out and the next game should be pretty "safe" to play....and I just might like to join in again .

Applause for Roa! You made some wonderful choices(and wolves ). And thanks for the description of me.....although I don't know about the ninja part, but meh it sounds really cool.

Again, great game everyone and Lmp....superley-evil-gory narrations.