Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant

[Formendacil]

As promised, after having been gone for a while, I am back... and destined to be gone again and back again at least once more ere the village's day is over.

Don't know why I bother... there's nothing of use happening. But a promise is a promise, and I'm a wanderer of my word.

As usual, someone sums up all the stereotypes for us (this time it was Saucy), throwing in a few off-the-cuff remarks. Some people sum up what's happened so far (that would be me). There's been confusion about the rules (retractable votes, see Celuien). There's been blessedly little discussion about the new role (the Changling). And, retractable votes being the norm, there has been some voting.

All in all, the same old, same old...

.... be back later, after someone has said something suspicious and is looking likely to be lynched for it.

[Nogrod]

Killed by an eagle using a turtle! So we'll just figure out all the turtle- and eaglelike characters and put them in a line to be questioned...

But really. I think we can do better than this. The feel in the village is like we were all gathered on a picnic. Still we quite definitively have to lynch someone in the evening. And this way we just end up with wild guesses (and messing it all up with all these retractions).

This Changeling, though is our real asset - as soon as s/he realizes it truly. I'm in total agreement with Spm here:

The likelihood is that the Changeling will end up on the village's side at the end. Ergo she should act on behalf of the village throughout, even when she chooses a Wolf's identity to steal at Night. Use the power of the Wolves against them, my dear, that's my advice.

I would add to this, that the Changeling - if alive on Day4 or something - should actually take her/his role as our second seer by then. S/he's not allowed to say that she knows the things because of her role, but no one can deny any one of us to write f.ex. "I just know that X, Y & Z are innocents and W is a wolf". I think we should be on the lookout for that kind of messages later on the game - and the Changeling should make them. With two seers, we're having the upper hand here.

[Thinlómien]

Poor Kath.
May she rest in peace.

I think the Changeling is an advantage to the village in most cases. If she (I use feminine pronouns of all unknowns) chooses a wolf, she can mess the wolves' plans by killing someone they don't plan to kill. If she chooses an ordo, we know for sure that she's on our side.

The only problem about her is that she can mess the gifteds' plans as well as the wolves' plans. Anyway, if we have stupid gifteds (which I hope we don't) that can be an advantage as well. Besides, even then she's not evil.

Retractable votes create confusion. There are lots of early votes thrown around... I understand people just want to stir the discussion a bit, or have fun, but wouldn't that make a perfect cover for a wolf? Especially when there's plenty of these random votes around...

[Thinlómien]

I could maybe join the "I hate Day 1s"-club. Everybody's just babbling nonsense except a few changeling-speculations.

I would like to say that Cailín's usually more reasonable and her behaviour today worries me, but the prevailing conditions being retractable votes and Day 1, I really can't say anything, except that whoever the wolves are it's easy to hide for them toDay.

I think that it's quite probable that at least one wolf-on-wolf-vote will be thrown toDay and be retracted.

My lunch break draws to its end, so I have to go. I will be back before Nightfall...

edit: xed with spawn

[Nogrod]

I know this may sound futile to some, but I still think we should explore, or at least pay heed to all possible (even though unprobable) sides of the game dynamics when there are new things around.

We all were asked about our animal for the game. Now it was actually an Eagle and a Turtle that killed Kath. I don't know, whether it helps us a lot toDay (we can always speculate about them if we wish), but if the same three animals seem to appear on the nightly kills, we should probably take them more seriously.

I agree with Spawn and Lommy about looking more closely the votes cast early on and also the banter.

= Spawn
Seeing that the Changeling has the power to decide on the Night's kill, s/he could just pick someone who looks the most suspicious to him/her (I assume s/he can't choose to kill the Wolf whose role s/he stole) - or can't the Wolves kill each other?

I kind of remember that she can't kill the wolf she picked, but she is able to kill another wolf. And then of course she may reveal the wolf she picked later (among a possible host of innocents). That's why I'd ike to call her our second Seer. Now if we could just come up with means for the Changeling and the Seer to distribute the picks among themselves so that they wouldn't overlap, like the one picking up the loudmouths and the other the quieter ones or something...

[Lhunardawen]

What?! Kath dead? Three werewolves? This wasn't in the pamphlet...

Wait, Animalia? What am I doing here? I'm supposed to be in Animalta!

Oh well...

There's only one thing I can say right now: Form is the Changeling. Look at him, he's a homeless wanderer.

Day Ones are simply wonderful, aren't they?

[Lhunardawen]

After a bit of thinking - directionless for the most part - I finally understood what Nogrod meant by calling the Changeling the second Seer. Doh! He'll know the roles and get to play them for a time. With there having more innocents than fiends, then he's more likely to pick an innocent, and a well-timed revelation of what he knows and what the Seer knows will lead us closer to victory - even without double lynches.

A downside, though a bit unlikely, here is if the Changeling is inherently evil and chooses to play for the dark side. Like if he catches the Seer one Night and a wolf the next, he could kill the Seer for the lycans. Unlikely, as I said, though still very probable.

I don't know about you guys, but I hate it when someone holds this much power.

[littlemanpoet]

Frolic frolic

Feels like early morning here and the graves don't dig themselves. However I have a moment.

++ FORMENDACIL

I just don't trust him. Lupine. Wolvish. Sneak.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

After a bit of thinking - directionless for the most part - I finally understood what Nogrod meant by calling the Changeling the second Seer. Doh! He'll know the roles and get to play them for a time. With there having more innocents than fiends, then he's more likely to pick an innocent, and a well-timed revelation of what he knows and what the Seer knows will lead us closer to victory - even without double lynches.

A downside, though a bit unlikely, here is if the Changeling is inherently evil and chooses to play for the dark side. Like if he catches the Seer one Night and a wolf the next, he could kill the Seer for the lycans. Unlikely, as I said, though still very probable.

I don't know about you guys, but I hate it when someone holds this much power.

Well, I don't like the situation very much either, but we just have to cope with it.

Well, let's hope the Changeling plays on the good side and if she plays on the wrong side, she doesn't catch the seer. But as said before, it would profit the Changeling herself more if she was on the Good side.

And more frolicing... I hope the situation is a bit better when I come back this evening. (I'm in +3 GMT.)

Day One is pretty useless on Day One, but on the next Days, it is usually even more useful than one could suspect.

edit: xed with Boromir

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, these retractable votes are sure fun to play with, and they probably will be used as bluffs on both Good and Evil side, but usually when someone has received a vote, the villagers have been able to draw conclusions throughout the Day about who voted for whom and how they did react. Now with the votes flying around, receiving one isn't a big deal, so if we want to get somewhere toDay, I'd suggest making as serious theories as possible. I don't mean that we'd need to abandon the Day 1 frolicing, it's quite fun, really, but I think there is often plenty of material for something more concrete, too, than just the village banter.

Originally Posted by Sauce

PPS The likelihood is that the Changeling will end up on the village's side at the end. Ergo she should act on behalf of the village throughout, even when she chooses a Wolf's identity to steal at Night. Use the power of the Wolves against them, my dear, that's my advice.

That's what I was thinking, too. The rules don't specify if the Changeling should work for the Wolves' benefit if s/he stumbles across one. Seeing that the Changeling has the power to decide on the Night's kill, s/he could just pick someone who looks the most suspicious to him/her (I assume s/he can't choose to kill the Wolf whose role s/he stole) - or can't the Wolves kill each other?