Let us theorize. Saruman's treachery. - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thingol · 03-01-2002, 03:13 PM

Even if someone else claimed the Ring that does not mean that Sauron just disappears. The person who claims the Ring must still deal with Sauron. I do not believe that anyone in Middle Earth, with the exception of perhaps Gandalf the White could have defeated Sauron, even with the Ring. Galadriel says that if she took the Ring she would through down Sauron and become a dark queen. However, Tolkien stated that he was skeptical that Galdriel could have done this. Tolkien said the nature of the Ring is such that it corrupts the mind, making you believe that you are capable of great deeds (The vision of armies flocking to Boromir, Sam's vission of creating a garden in Gorgoroth, and Gollum's vision of punishing all those that were cruel to him and eating fish from the sea). Tolkein also said that if Galadriel was capable of doing this than Elrond would have been able to also (I'm sure red would agree with this [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]) There would have to be a contest of will between whoever claimed the Ring and Sauron. Sauron might have been confident that he would have won such a contest against Saruman. After all he won such a contest against Saruman with the Ithil Palantir.

[ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Thingol ]

03-01-2002, 03:13 PM	#9
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	Even if someone else claimed the Ring that does not mean that Sauron just disappears. The person who claims the Ring must still deal with Sauron. I do not believe that anyone in Middle Earth, with the exception of perhaps Gandalf the White could have defeated Sauron, even with the Ring. Galadriel says that if she took the Ring she would through down Sauron and become a dark queen. However, Tolkien stated that he was skeptical that Galdriel could have done this. Tolkien said the nature of the Ring is such that it corrupts the mind, making you believe that you are capable of great deeds (The vision of armies flocking to Boromir, Sam's vission of creating a garden in Gorgoroth, and Gollum's vision of punishing all those that were cruel to him and eating fish from the sea). Tolkein also said that if Galadriel was capable of doing this than Elrond would have been able to also (I'm sure red would agree with this [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]) There would have to be a contest of will between whoever claimed the Ring and Sauron. Sauron might have been confident that he would have won such a contest against Saruman. After all he won such a contest against Saruman with the Ithil Palantir. [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Thingol ] __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.