Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 05-30-2006, 09:04 AM

Spm: you are making a lot of sense - at least I see it that way. And if my suggestions have not been enough until now, please Changeling, read Spm's post #46 and think once more for this:

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=Spm
So, Changeling, play for the village. You know it makes sense.

That's your bet!

Well, surely it's possible that the game gets into a situation where the Changeling has a chance to decide the game (knowing or guessing a wolf in a 50-50 situation and killing a villager for her/him and the wolves to win - well: 50-50 + the Changeling - I suppose the Changeling is counted as a villager in the tally?). But that chance is not the most probable, particularly if the Changeling plays for the village and reveals her/his knowledge at some point! And if it goes the bad way and the Changeling wants to assure her/his victory, well, I don't see us others having any means to stop the Changeling there. That's the role given to this game and we have little means of stopping her/him in that situation. But loyalty to the good cause...

But I would be a bit worried about a widespread use of the retractable votes. I see one good use for early retractables, namely the chance of getting the behavioristic "action - reaction" -stuff with them from an overjumpy wolf. I do not deny the value of this one. But if the overall feeling about them is that it's just some playful villagers toying with them, we could lose some wolvish trials for bandwaggoning in the midst of them. I could see the wolves trying something like that: let's see if this lynch-proposal gets some support, if not, let's change and try differently! Or they could just hide the wolves in the making the Day1 just one piece of mockery.

And here I agree with Spm again, we just draw different conclusions: I believe Day1's are good days, for about half of the games I've been in a werecreature has been catched on Day1! So let's keep looking around... and let's not waste them with just making fun of them. If everyone plays the trickster, it's hard to see, who's the evil trickster. If everyone plays openly, the wolves will have harder time to hide themselves...

PS. I have a bunch of exams to read and have to commit a lot of time to them today, but I will be back later and try to be more particular then.

EDIT: X-posted with Spawn, SPm and Caran...

Kath · 05-30-2006, 09:20 AM

1) Sauce, you know how I feel about anagrams, keep them out of your posts please.

2) You have misunderstood the role of the Changeling somewhat. What side the Changeling is on depends on the person they choose at Night. If they choose a wolf they are then evil for that Night, and so will not help the village. The Changeling can't decide whether to play as an innocent or not, it is decided by the roles of the players they choose.

the guy who be short · 05-30-2006, 09:42 AM

I was under the impression that the Changeling played for whichever side's character they had assumed for the Day.

Sorry to come to the discussion so late. I was out hunting Pokémon from early in the morning. I only saw the odd Pidgey. There was a time when a walk in the woods would yield a score of Pidgeys and a swarm of Caterpies. I think the Pokémon have been scared off by these werewolves, or possibly killed. But mine shall not yield so easily.

I have tried to contact the soul of Kath through my Haunter. Unfortunately, he is too high a level and ignores my orders, so we shall have no success in that direction. We must rely on what little skills we possess ourselves.

As for those who suspect me simply because I have a fondness for Pocket Monsters - what can I say against your folly? I have no Wartortle. My Squirtle, while I do have one, is completely under control and was safe in his Pokéball last night. I shall use my Pokémon to help the village, not to destroy it.

Nilp - I'm afraid I have no Electabuzz; I did capture one once, but I freed him later because I don't really see the point in owning many Pokémon at once. It doesn't allow bonds to develop. As for Zapdos, you've got to be kidding me.

Pokémon aside, I think those of you - Saucey - claiming that Day 1 can be of use are wilfully blinding yourselves. All but two of those on the village's side have no information at all to work on except our own blind accusations. Those two we do not yet trust. Day 1s are all about the wolves doing everything they can - or nothing at all - to confuse us.

Therefore, I shall vote at random. My vote shall not be retractable because no reason will be convincing enough for me to alter my stance.

My abacus tells me to vote for:

Shift Ran# x 18 + 1 = 2.656

++CAILIN

For having a role that would be spelt differently were she male.

05-30-2006, 09:20 AM	#2
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	A quick interjection 1) Sauce, you know how I feel about anagrams, keep them out of your posts please. 2) You have misunderstood the role of the Changeling somewhat. What side the Changeling is on depends on the person they choose at Night. If they choose a wolf they are then evil for that Night, and so will not help the village. The Changeling can't decide whether to play as an innocent or not, it is decided by the roles of the players they choose. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

05-30-2006, 09:42 AM	#3
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	I was under the impression that the Changeling played for whichever side's character they had assumed for the Day. Sorry to come to the discussion so late. I was out hunting Pokémon from early in the morning. I only saw the odd Pidgey. There was a time when a walk in the woods would yield a score of Pidgeys and a swarm of Caterpies. I think the Pokémon have been scared off by these werewolves, or possibly killed. But mine shall not yield so easily. I have tried to contact the soul of Kath through my Haunter. Unfortunately, he is too high a level and ignores my orders, so we shall have no success in that direction. We must rely on what little skills we possess ourselves. As for those who suspect me simply because I have a fondness for Pocket Monsters - what can I say against your folly? I have no Wartortle. My Squirtle, while I do have one, is completely under control and was safe in his Pokéball last night. I shall use my Pokémon to help the village, not to destroy it. Nilp - I'm afraid I have no Electabuzz; I did capture one once, but I freed him later because I don't really see the point in owning many Pokémon at once. It doesn't allow bonds to develop. As for Zapdos, you've got to be kidding me. Pokémon aside, I think those of you - Saucey - claiming that Day 1 can be of use are wilfully blinding yourselves. All but two of those on the village's side have no information at all to work on except our own blind accusations. Those two we do not yet trust. Day 1s are all about the wolves doing everything they can - or nothing at all - to confuse us. Therefore, I shall vote at random. My vote shall not be retractable because no reason will be convincing enough for me to alter my stance. My abacus tells me to vote for: Shift Ran# x 18 + 1 = 2.656 ++CAILIN For having a role that would be spelt differently were she male.