Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Mith

I think but can't check that a famous philosopher was killed by a turtle dropped by an eagle ...

Aristotle, I believe.

[Mithalwen]

Yes that was the chappie... anyway I think we shouldn't get too distracted by such things which are liable to be a wild goose chase... Even on Straw Clutching Day...

[The Saucepan Man]

OK OK. Forget the animal theory if you don't like it. Personally, I will bear it in mind, but that’s my choice.

Perhaps those who have devoted their collective energy to poo-pooing it could put forward a few ideas of their own.

Or is it only me willing to risk talking myself into the noose?

[Celuien]

Popping in briefly between tending the ketchup trees...

Skimmed the recent developments, and I don't like this SPM bandwagon at all. I noticed absolutely nothing suspicious about him and I'd hate to lose him so early without good reason.

Will try to return in a few hours with more.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Celuien

I noticed absolutely nothing suspicious about him and I'd hate to lose him so early without good reason.

Actually, I have noticed a lot about me that looks (or has been made to look) suspicious. But it's most certainly not how a Wolvish Sauce would act on Day 1.

Still, a healthy dose of suspicion can sometimes be a good thing - provided it doesn't get me lynched.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Actually, I have noticed a lot about me that looks (or has been made to look) suspicious. But it's most certainly not how a Wolvish Sauce would act on Day 1.

And in that it's not how a wolvish Sauce would act, being that one of my ancestors once encountered a saucepan-wearing Werewolf , I don't find you suspicious today.

Originally Posted by Mith

LMP ..so quiet ..is that really just timezones..

Elempi and I are in the same time zone, but I think he's busy in RL right now (see notices on the Rohan theater bulletin board). So I think it's most likely time zones + RL that lead to his being quieter than usual just now. Still, the change may bear watching.

I don't really want Nilpy to die today. I'd hoped for a reply to my vote, but time zone disease seems to be in the way.

-- NILP
++ DURELIN

Caran and Nogrod have pointed out the same things that I find disturbing. And she feels a bit aggressive in her posts to Boromir and regarding SPM.

Do I have 14 minutes left or an hour and 14 minutes? I'm confused over the time zones.

EDIT: Crossed with Cailin and Formendacil.

[Boromir88]

Ooh, are you confessing? (Or am I too tired... )~spawn

Eventhough you were seemingly joking...if I was a wolf I wouldn't play like Fea.

I'm not comfortable with you somewhat twisting Lommy's words. When you quoted Lommy's post #40, you conviniently left out the last part of the phrase which would have made more sense. I don't know whether Lommy is innocent or not, but in any case quoting someone in a way that on purpose makes them look worse than they are isn't fair.~ibid

I didn't take anything out of context Miss Spawn. You just simply don't understand. The rest of the quote you are referring to there is no need to quote, therefor I didn't. This is Day 1 is it not? I was making the point that Lommy, on Day 1 find's Day 1's useless (which I disagree). The rest of the quote does not matter in this case, because we aren't in "future days yet," we still are in Day 1's on Day 1. Whether Lommy finds use of Day 1's in the upcoming days is irrelevant to the point that right now on Day 1, she finds it useless.

The only time I was noisy on Day 1, I was lynched Day 3 as a Werewolf (Phantom's Game, XII).~Formendacil

I remember that game...that was the game I voted for you for 3 straight days and finally the village went along...then I was lynched, because I must have been a wolf partner ...oh fun times.

Just some thoughts on some people.

Formendacil to me is acting like usual. Which could be bad of course, but usually he is less active on Day 1, and see no particular reason why I should vote for him.

Sauce also seems normal, which again could be bad, but he'll be found out soon enough, if not already.

I definitely expected more from lmp and morm, perhaps they are just unable to be around a lot today, I know how that is. But I've heard basically nothing from them.

Mithalwen is making me nervous with her pointing attention to me:

Boromir88 - I wonder about his reference then vote for Spawn. Hmmm I suspect he is not ordinary put it that way.... I expect he will post more before I have ot decide. I would hesitate to lynch him without good evidence because if he is innocent we don't want to lose him....

I wonder if this is a ploy to pin me down. Because I would expect any innocent who thinks they know a gifted to bequiet and not spill the beans and let everyone know "Hey I don't think you're ordinary."

Fin and Nogrod seem helpful, logical, and contributed quite a bit, I'm inclined to think they're innocent.

As far as everyone else, I still am trying to get a grasp on. I'll stick with Lommy however as my vote. Good bye and good luck.

[Cailín]

The tortoise is likelier to be Kath's favourite animal (though frankly: I cannot see at all why. They are endlessly dull creatures) than that of the wolves. But you figured that out.

Some people have commented (particularly Lommy) that I seem less reasonable than usual, while I am actually seldom reasonable on (the start of) Day 1. Don't get me wrong, I love Day 1s and they usually reveal far more in hindsight than you'd think, but I like a bit of random silliness before I start taking things too seriously.

Kath's message about the Changeling is a little disconcerting, but what Sauce says is right: the Changeling still has a choice during the Day. Since the Changeling only wins on the wolves' side in an extremely specific situation, also explained by Sauce, s/he is likely to root for the villagers. However

Who among us would read that and think, "Okay, I'll take the easy option"? No, we all want grand tales to tell at the end. And I think this Changeling is a threat because of this ego factor.

Though I disagree with Caran's vote for Sauce based on this alone, I can think of some people in this village who indeed may think: if you all want me to do this, I'll do that. Of course, leading the village to victory is a grand feat as well and I think eventually everyone's survivor instinct will win. Unless Nilp is the Changeling, in which case we are doomed.

As far as I can see, the only immediate downsides of the Changeling are the following:

- if s/he dreams of a Gifted and a wolf next
- if s/he dreams of the Seer and make the Seer double dream (i.e. dream about someone they already know the identity of)

Unfortunately, it is not something s/he can avoid.

Otherwise, I am not too concerned about the Changeling just yet. Hunting him/her down early seems senseless as well, seeing as s/he could function as another Seer and will also easily be confused with the Seer. So though we may not like the power this one holds, I guess we will have to let it go for now.

The wolves are our primary targets. They have great and evil powers too, with the summoning of aerial turtles and all.

I have never played with retractable votes before so I am not quite sure how to handle them just yet. I don't find the early votes at all suspicious (though I might be biased ) since they are really quite similar to random accusations. Boromir, however, seems to have made it his life goal to make the afterlife for Kath as difficult as possible and though I'd love to cast a few more random votes for people I have never voted for, I shall restrain myself for her sake.

Formendacil may be a wolf, I don't know, but he always is the same on Day 1 -to everyone's annoyance- and I don't see anything truly different about him. Of course, Form is skilled enough to not change behaviour in any role.

OK OK. Forget the animal theory if you don't like it. Personally, I will bear it in mind, but that’s my choice.

Perhaps those who have devoted their collective energy to poo-pooing it could put forward a few ideas of their own.

Honestly. Go solve some crossword puzzles.

[Cailín]

Suspicions eh?

So far I am completely unsuspicious of the following:

Celuien - who is reason embodied, as always.
Spawn - who for the first time in a while seems to be genuinely on the right side again
Nogrod - just a generally warm and fuzzy feeling.
Tom & Fin - for being newbies (I am right in that, huh?) who actually attempt to make sense.

The rest of you I am less sure about. As always, I cannot think Sauce anything other than innocent, but actually believing in his innocence would make me look extremely naive.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

OK OK. Forget the animal theory if you don't like it. Personally, I will bear it in mind, but that’s my choice.

Perhaps those who have devoted their collective energy to poo-pooing it could put forward a few ideas of their own.

Or is it only me willing to risk talking myself into the noose?

No, I fully intend to risk my neck as soon as I have had a chance to make a few notes. I merely think that it is a better to concentrate on anything other players may have let slip rather than the moderator. I just think that the turtle was an amusing reference to those of us who care for such things and to set the pattern for our "daemon"'s witness of our death. If it suggests anything it might be that we should seek empirical evidence

OK before I get down to work, a token "in character theory". All the village should take the homeopathic remedy Aconite to cope with the shock of Kath's death. Aconite is not also known as Wolfsbane for nothing. The innocents will be destressed and the Wolves dead. Simple eh?

Right I will now search for people with black or dark red auras....