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Tuor of Gondolin · 05-24-2006, 05:51 AM

Third Age? Yes. Highly probable.
First Age? No.
Second Age? Yes.
Man (as in race)? No.
Living? Yes.
Elf? No.
Dwarf? No.
Auinu? No.
Olvar? No.

What could it be? Yess. We wonders, preciouss.
Is it tricksy? Is it scrumptious? Is it good to eat?
We knows, but we won't say, oh no.
They'll have to guess.

Firefoot · 05-24-2006, 05:59 AM

Ent?

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-24-2006, 06:04 AM

Ent?
An astute guess. Showing a
knowledge of early Middle-earth ages.
But...no.

Gil-Galad · 05-24-2006, 05:17 PM

Snow-men of Forochel(i think) ?

EDIT: that i do Firefoot... many thanks again

Firefoot · 05-24-2006, 05:52 PM

Evil?

Gil, I think you mean Forochel...

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-25-2006, 05:34 AM

Ent?
Nope.

Snow-men of Forochel
No.

Evil?
Not so.

Elu Ancalime · 05-25-2006, 04:06 PM

Plant?

Thorondir???
________
How to roll blunts

Tuor in Gondolin · 05-26-2006, 08:19 AM

Plant?
No.
Thorondir???
No.

Yes. This is tricksy, precious. They canst figure
it out.

But is it a legitimate poser, we wonders.

Yesss. But will they cheats by insisting on asking
several questions , like Thief Baggins?

(Further questions can be asked, but I probably
won't get to them before Tuesday).

Firefoot · 05-29-2006, 06:30 PM

We likes tricksy questions, yes.

Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)?

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-30-2006, 05:28 AM

Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)?

Yes. It/they do.

Firefoot · 05-30-2006, 05:43 AM

Is it a single living thing rather than a group?

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-30-2006, 05:52 AM

Is it a single living thing rather than a group?

No. It's a group. (That should be a bit of a hint).

Firefoot · 05-30-2006, 01:47 PM

Was any part of it ever in Numenor?

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-31-2006, 05:25 AM

Was any part of it ever in Numenor?

Yes. At least some of the group was definitely in Numenor.

Firefoot · 05-31-2006, 05:46 AM

Are the members of the group able to talk?

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-31-2006, 08:04 AM

Are the members of the group able to talk?
Yes.

Firefoot · 05-31-2006, 10:09 AM

Is it in the Sil?

Tuor of Gondolin · 05-31-2006, 10:29 AM

Cheap question...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is it in the Sil?

Actually a rather good question. But I don't have The
Silmarillion with me so I'll have to check later to see
whether I located the topic there or in another work,
and if I didn't find it in The Silmarillion, is a mention also in
The Silmarillion.

Tuor of Gondolin · 06-01-2006, 05:30 AM

Okay. I've checked Firefoot 's question and,
as far as I can see it's not in The Silmarillion. I
found the reference in another work.

Btw, as a general rule I think it would be too easy
and mechanical to allow questions as to what book
something is in, since it could progress to "Is it in a
given chapter?", "Between pages so-and-so?", etc. But
in this case I'd say it's a valid line of question, especially
since the group/incident I'm thinking of is only mentioned,
as far as I can determine, in one not overly obvious place,
although it is a valid bit.

Third Age? Yes. Highly probable.
First Age? No.
Second Age? Yes.
Man (as in race)? No.
Living? Yes.
Elf? No.
Dwarf? No.
Auinu? No.
Olvar? No.
Ent? Nope.
Snow-men of Forochel No.
Evil? Not so.
Plant? No.
Thorondir??? No.
Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)?
Yes. It/they do.
Is it a single living thing rather than a group? No. It's a group.
Was any part of it ever in Numenor?
Yes. At least some of the group was definitely in Numenor.
Are the members of the group able to talk? Yes.
In The Silmarillion? No.

Firefoot · 06-01-2006, 05:37 AM

I don't think it's ever gotten quite that specific. Asking about the book is usually about as specific as I've seen it go.

Not in the Sil, then... UT?

I hope so...

Tuor of Gondolin · 06-01-2006, 05:41 AM

Not in the Sil, then... UT?
YES!

But it's still tricksy. If you're trawling for it be warned, it took
me almost half an hour yesterday to "refind" it.

Firefoot · 06-01-2006, 10:20 AM

Peachy... (strange word, that.)

Did any of the group ever have contact with Aldarion?

Tuor of Gondolin · 06-01-2006, 10:33 AM

Did any of the group ever have contact with Aldarion?

As the elves might say, both yes and no.
Let's say a subset of the group did, but I'm
thinking of another event involving a subset of the group,
and not including all of the former group that had contact
with Aldarion. (wish I knew what I just said)

Look. It happened later!

ENORMOUS HINT (well, sort of)
What was the nature of this group? Who were they?

Firefoot · 06-01-2006, 11:25 AM

Hm...

Are they a group because of what sort of thing (creature? race?) they are?

Tuor of Gondolin · 06-01-2006, 12:29 PM

Are they a group because of what sort of thing (creature? race?) they are?
Yes. They're all of the same race.

But what could it be, we wonders. Isn't man, or hobbit,
or nassty elves with bright swords, or entses,
or Snow-men's, is it, preciouss?

Firefoot · 06-01-2006, 12:57 PM

Are they mortal?

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-02-2006, 10:32 AM

Are they mortal?
Yes.

Firefoot · 06-02-2006, 12:02 PM

Are they significant in any wars?

Valier · 06-02-2006, 06:10 PM

Are they Spiders?

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-03-2006, 08:54 AM

Are they significant in any wars?
As the elves would say, both yes and no.

They are enemies and fighters against especially orcs, but
I don't believe there are reports that they ever
fought in large scale wars.

Are they Spiders?
No.

Firefoot · 06-03-2006, 08:56 AM

I should have asked this a long time ago.

The Druedain?

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-03-2006, 08:58 AM

I should have asked this a long time ago.

The Druedain?

Yes. And yes.
But a more specific answer is required.

Firefoot · 06-03-2006, 09:48 AM

The Druedain that came west with the Atani?

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-03-2006, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Man (as in race)? No.

Quote:

The Druedain?

Yes.

Eh?

That prevented me asking this a long time ago.

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-03-2006, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Man (as in race)? No.

Quote:
The Druedain?

Yes.

Eh?

I understand. But it seemed to me to answer "yes"
would have been more deceptive. Even in UT
it seems a grey area. While they were admitted to the rank of the Atani,
it also says:

Quote:

The strangest of all the customs of the Folk of Haleth was the presence among them of people of a wholly different kind, the like of which the other Atani had evers een before....(and) They were considered a race apart.

Despite the views of the Elder, it seems a question whether they
were, indeed, a seperate free people. Could there even be interbreeding?

Firefoot · 06-03-2006, 11:24 AM

Yeah, that's sort of what I thought, too, Sauce. The other thing that has me going is the "First Age? No."

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-04-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuor

Despite the views of the Elder, it seems a question whether they
were, indeed, a seperate free people.

The clue is in the name:

Druedain

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-05-2006, 07:45 AM

Well, then. Anyone who's interested can continue
this game. I suggest Firefoot.

Firefoot · 06-13-2006, 06:37 AM

Okay, guess away...

Mettare · 06-13-2006, 11:02 AM

Is it alive?

05-24-2006, 05:51 AM	#5081
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Third Age? Yes. Highly probable. First Age? No. Second Age? Yes. Man (as in race)? No. Living? Yes. Elf? No. Dwarf? No. Auinu? No. Olvar? No. What could it be? Yess. We wonders, preciouss. Is it tricksy? Is it scrumptious? Is it good to eat? We knows, but we won't say, oh no. They'll have to guess. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-24-2006, 06:04 AM	#5083
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Ent? An astute guess. Showing a knowledge of early Middle-earth ages. But...no. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-24-2006, 05:17 PM	#5084
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Snow-men of Forochel(i think) ? EDIT: that i do Firefoot... many thanks again __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed. Last edited by Gil-Galad; 05-24-2006 at 06:10 PM.

05-25-2006, 05:34 AM	#5086
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Ent? Nope. Snow-men of Forochel No. Evil? Not so. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-25-2006, 04:06 PM	#5087
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Plant? Thorondir??? ________ How to roll blunts Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-04-2011 at 12:00 AM.

05-24-2006, 05:59 AM	#5082
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Ent?

05-24-2006, 05:52 PM	#5085
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Evil? Gil, I think you mean Forochel...

05-26-2006, 08:19 AM	#5088
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Plant? No. Thorondir??? No. Yes. This is tricksy, precious. They canst figure it out. But is it a legitimate poser, we wonders. Yesss. But will they cheats by insisting on asking several questions , like Thief Baggins? (Further questions can be asked, but I probably won't get to them before Tuesday). __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' Last edited by Tuor in Gondolin; 05-27-2006 at 09:51 AM.

05-29-2006, 06:30 PM	#5089
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I ain't givin' up yet. We likes tricksy questions, yes. Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)?

05-30-2006, 05:28 AM	#5090
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)? Yes. It/they do. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-30-2006, 05:43 AM	#5091
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Is it a single living thing rather than a group?

05-30-2006, 05:52 AM	#5092
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Is it a single living thing rather than a group? No. It's a group. (That should be a bit of a hint). __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-30-2006, 01:47 PM	#5093
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Was any part of it ever in Numenor?

05-31-2006, 05:25 AM	#5094
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Was any part of it ever in Numenor? Yes. At least some of the group was definitely in Numenor. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-31-2006, 05:46 AM	#5095
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Are the members of the group able to talk?

05-31-2006, 08:04 AM	#5096
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Are the members of the group able to talk? Yes. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

05-31-2006, 10:09 AM	#5097
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Cheap question... Is it in the Sil?

05-31-2006, 10:29 AM	#5098
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Cheap question... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is it in the Sil? Actually a rather good question. But I don't have The Silmarillion with me so I'll have to check later to see whether I located the topic there or in another work, and if I didn't find it in The Silmarillion, is a mention also in The Silmarillion. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

06-01-2006, 05:30 AM	#5099
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Okay. I've checked Firefoot 's question and, as far as I can see it's not in The Silmarillion. I found the reference in another work. Btw, as a general rule I think it would be too easy and mechanical to allow questions as to what book something is in, since it could progress to "Is it in a given chapter?", "Between pages so-and-so?", etc. But in this case I'd say it's a valid line of question, especially since the group/incident I'm thinking of is only mentioned, as far as I can determine, in one not overly obvious place, although it is a valid bit. Third Age? Yes. Highly probable. First Age? No. Second Age? Yes. Man (as in race)? No. Living? Yes. Elf? No. Dwarf? No. Auinu? No. Olvar? No. Ent? Nope. Snow-men of Forochel No. Evil? Not so. Plant? No. Thorondir??? No. Does it have a gender (not is it known; does it have one)? Yes. It/they do. Is it a single living thing rather than a group? No. It's a group. Was any part of it ever in Numenor? Yes. At least some of the group was definitely in Numenor. Are the members of the group able to talk? Yes. In The Silmarillion? No. __________________ Aure Entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin; 06-01-2006 at 05:44 AM.

06-01-2006, 05:37 AM	#5100
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I don't think it's ever gotten quite that specific. Asking about the book is usually about as specific as I've seen it go. Not in the Sil, then... UT? I hope so...

06-01-2006, 05:41 AM	#5101
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Not in the Sil, then... UT? YES! But it's still tricksy. If you're trawling for it be warned, it took me almost half an hour yesterday to "refind" it. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

06-01-2006, 10:20 AM	#5102
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Peachy... (strange word, that.) Did any of the group ever have contact with Aldarion?

06-01-2006, 10:33 AM	#5103
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Did any of the group ever have contact with Aldarion? As the elves might say, both yes and no. Let's say a subset of the group did, but I'm thinking of another event involving a subset of the group, and not including all of the former group that had contact with Aldarion. (wish I knew what I just said) Look. It happened later! ENORMOUS HINT (well, sort of) What was the nature of this group? Who were they? __________________ Aure Entuluva!

06-01-2006, 11:25 AM	#5104
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Hm... Are they a group because of what sort of thing (creature? race?) they are?

06-01-2006, 12:29 PM	#5105
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Are they a group because of what sort of thing (creature? race?) they are? Yes. They're all of the same race. But what could it be, we wonders. Isn't man, or hobbit, or nassty elves with bright swords, or entses, or Snow-men's, is it, preciouss? __________________ Aure Entuluva!

06-01-2006, 12:57 PM	#5106
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Are they mortal?

06-02-2006, 10:32 AM	#5107
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Are they mortal? Yes. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

06-02-2006, 12:02 PM	#5108
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Are they significant in any wars?

06-02-2006, 06:10 PM	#5109
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Are they Spiders? __________________ grand return?........

06-03-2006, 08:54 AM	#5110
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Are they significant in any wars? As the elves would say, both yes and no. They are enemies and fighters against especially orcs, but I don't believe there are reports that they ever fought in large scale wars. Are they Spiders? No. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

06-03-2006, 08:56 AM	#5111
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I should have asked this a long time ago. The Druedain?

06-03-2006, 08:58 AM	#5112
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	I should have asked this a long time ago. The Druedain? Yes. And yes. But a more specific answer is required. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

06-03-2006, 09:48 AM	#5113
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I'm a little confused. The Druedain that came west with the Atani?

06-03-2006, 11:24 AM	#5116
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Yeah, that's sort of what I thought, too, Sauce. The other thing that has me going is the "First Age? No."

06-05-2006, 07:45 AM	#5118
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Well, then. Anyone who's interested can continue this game. I suggest Firefoot. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'