Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 06-01-2006, 11:47 AM

To clarify, if I agree that she is being careful it would be so unlike her play as a wolf that I would be more inclined to think her innocent at least.

My alter ego modded 2 games with Fea as a wolf.... one was a bravura performance of breathtaking audacity which succeeded brilliantly. The other was a bravura perfomance of breathtaking audacity which crashed and burned. I refer you to the chronicles of the events at Midsomer Mawlin....

If she is careful and a wolf I suspect doping

or that she is being palyed by a ringer.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-01-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mith

If she is careful and a wolf I suspect doping or that she is being palyed by a ringer.

... or breathtakingly audacious in its lack of breathtaking audacity.

Mithalwen · 06-01-2006, 11:55 AM

Now that is the mental equivalent on a "waffer-thin mint", Sauce, you just want my head to explode trying to sort out the level of bluff.....

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-01-2006, 12:02 PM

On a more serious note, you have executed a quite stunning U-turn on the subject of Fea, Mith. Yesterday, you saw fit to vote for her (in circumstances where she was unlikely to be lynched, I might add), yet today you are defending her rather doughtily. I wonder if it's possible that your vote yesterday might have been a Wolf-on-Wolf vote?

And, as Lommy noted earlier, you do rather fit the profile of one who is "maintaining a presence" without actually saying very much. Quite unusual for you.

Hmm. Much to ponder.

Caranlondien · 06-01-2006, 12:05 PM

++Feanor

I'll be able to pop back in a bit later, but unless a wolf confesses, I doubt I'll be changing my vote.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-01-2006, 12:15 PM

Mithalwen, Saucepan, Caran... Aragorn, Boromir, Saruman.

Mithalwen · 06-01-2006, 12:10 PM

I wouln't say a U turn... I was commenting on Carans statement rather than my own observations which I am too easily distracted from. There are a lot of ifs in my posts for it to be a doughty defence. And I said yesterday that I find her hard to read when I am playing. From the privileged position of a moderator, I have observed her wolf play... but obviously it is much easier to know what she is up to if you gave her her role!

Bear in mind Sauce, If I were a wolf you would almost certainly be already dead. No offence and you know it is really a compliment, but you would be my top priority to get out of the way.

Thinlómien · 06-01-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Bear in mind Sauce, If I were a wolf you would almost certainly be already dead. No offence and you know it is really a compliment, but you would be my top priority to get out of the way.

Unless you're double-bluffing. Or unless you thought you'd profit more from keeping him alive as he gathered some suspicion yesterDay. Or unless he's your fellow wolf. One can never know.

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Originally Posted by SPM, numbers added by me

1.Frankly, yes. As I see it, you got into a tussle with him and so found yourself arguing against him. 2.Then, when grounds for suspicion of him were aired, you seized on and promulgated them. Those grounds formed the main plank of the argument against him.

Hmm... first part = correct. Second part = incorrect. My timing for my vote was only because I had to leave then, if that is what you mean.

edit:xed with Fea

Nogrod · 06-01-2006, 12:27 PM

I’m beginnig to understand why Morm every now and then rants about people posting too much… I had to read all from the beginning and, well, it was a feat!

Let’s start with the starters. I’m still a bit confused about the wolves going for Form. If they intended to create confusion, they have succeeded quite well in that. But why did they value the overall confusion so much as to leave the numerous “strong players” in this village intact? There were a host of people who did not receive any actual suspicion on Day1 and there were so many votes given with no serious intent or with no well argumented points (Day1, yes). So most of us would not have left any obvious “track” anyway – and there probably would have been some confusion anyhow.

Bombariffic came forwards early on with a theory of the “big players” (or something) being comfortable enough to go for Form (who might get more active later on). But just looking at the list of people in this village, I just can’t see any trio formed out from there being able to be “comfortable” to just go for the confusion (or benefits that would actualize only after days).

So is there something else there after all? If on the contrary the wolves were not doing so well on Day1? Could Form’s death be seen as a well thought – and a bit risky – plot of the wolves to turn attention from what actually had been happening on Day1 that was against their interest? So that we would all be using our magnifying glasses to things relating to Form and forget something important as we were confused about the stuff we saw?

Another possibility has been voiced here already. I’m not yet sure of what to say of it but I try. So Form voted for Caran, late, with sham reasons. Then wolf-Caran killed him? Some have noted, that it would be too dangerous (and overjumpy) to go for the kill just after being voted. But what if Caran (&others) were actually thinking Form to be the seer? His late vote for Caran might be interpretated just as a sign from the Seer before the Night. If the Seer has his first dream of the wolf, he surely would like to leave a “note” of it somewhere immediately or very soon. But not in a way that would be immediately be interpreted as a Seers message: those would be read only afterwards. And that’s just too valuable information to die with. So Caran & fellows got nervous and killed him off. And anyways, if they had any reason to believe that Form was the Seer, then the sooner the better? They would have to stand before the village because of the dead Seer oneDay, and later there might be even more damage done to the wolves cause...

There is an innocent feel in Caran, but “my lorebook” tells me, she can be quite innocent looking when being a wolf – a bit more jumpy and active in this game maybe... Surely Caran should be followed.

But I see there are other things going on too...

Mithalwen · 06-01-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Unless you're double-bluffing. Or unless you thought you'd profit more from keeping him alive as he gathered some suspicion yesterDay. Or unless he's your fellow wolf. One can never know.

For most players you would be right, but with sauce the wanting him dead would override tactics...but that is academic because, I am an ordinary villager. I am now only up to page three on my review but, I am still getting bad vibes from Caran and Durelin ...... Spawn pointed the finger at both Boromir and Formendacil. THe fact that they are both dead may suggest an attempt at framing her..... or not....

Yesterday we assumed that Tom was a newcomer trying to make his mark, and therefore I excused his slightly off assessment of Boromir... newcomers are sometimes wolves.... he is pretty high on my list at the moment. Back to the review.

NB I am sorry that i wasn't here earlier ..I had to pay my chariot tax and so couldn't spend lunchtime monitoring events via my work palantir. Non payment of Chariot tax would cost this poor aura consultant more silver pennies than the chariot is worth so ....

06-01-2006, 11:47 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	To clarify, if I agree that she is being careful it would be so unlike her play as a wolf that I would be more inclined to think her innocent at least. My alter ego modded 2 games with Fea as a wolf.... one was a bravura performance of breathtaking audacity which succeeded brilliantly. The other was a bravura perfomance of breathtaking audacity which crashed and burned. I refer you to the chronicles of the events at Midsomer Mawlin.... If she is careful and a wolf I suspect doping or that she is being palyed by a ringer. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-01-2006, 11:55 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Now that is the mental equivalent on a "waffer-thin mint", Sauce, you just want my head to explode trying to sort out the level of bluff..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 06-01-2006 at 11:55 AM. Reason: wrote verbal for mental - been a long day

06-01-2006, 12:02 PM	#4
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	On a more serious note, you have executed a quite stunning U-turn on the subject of Fea, Mith. Yesterday, you saw fit to vote for her (in circumstances where she was unlikely to be lynched, I might add), yet today you are defending her rather doughtily. I wonder if it's possible that your vote yesterday might have been a Wolf-on-Wolf vote? And, as Lommy noted earlier, you do rather fit the profile of one who is "maintaining a presence" without actually saying very much. Quite unusual for you. Hmm. Much to ponder. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-01-2006, 12:15 PM	#6
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Mithalwen, Saucepan, Caran... Aragorn, Boromir, Saruman. __________________ peace

06-01-2006, 12:10 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I wouln't say a U turn... I was commenting on Carans statement rather than my own observations which I am too easily distracted from. There are a lot of ifs in my posts for it to be a doughty defence. And I said yesterday that I find her hard to read when I am playing. From the privileged position of a moderator, I have observed her wolf play... but obviously it is much easier to know what she is up to if you gave her her role! Bear in mind Sauce, If I were a wolf you would almost certainly be already dead. No offence and you know it is really a compliment, but you would be my top priority to get out of the way. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-01-2006, 12:05 PM	#5
Caranlondien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bag-Endless-Fuel Posts: 339	++Feanor I'll be able to pop back in a bit later, but unless a wolf confesses, I doubt I'll be changing my vote.

06-01-2006, 12:27 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I’m beginnig to understand why Morm every now and then rants about people posting too much… I had to read all from the beginning and, well, it was a feat! Let’s start with the starters. I’m still a bit confused about the wolves going for Form. If they intended to create confusion, they have succeeded quite well in that. But why did they value the overall confusion so much as to leave the numerous “strong players” in this village intact? There were a host of people who did not receive any actual suspicion on Day1 and there were so many votes given with no serious intent or with no well argumented points (Day1, yes). So most of us would not have left any obvious “track” anyway – and there probably would have been some confusion anyhow. Bombariffic came forwards early on with a theory of the “big players” (or something) being comfortable enough to go for Form (who might get more active later on). But just looking at the list of people in this village, I just can’t see any trio formed out from there being able to be “comfortable” to just go for the confusion (or benefits that would actualize only after days). So is there something else there after all? If on the contrary the wolves were not doing so well on Day1? Could Form’s death be seen as a well thought – and a bit risky – plot of the wolves to turn attention from what actually had been happening on Day1 that was against their interest? So that we would all be using our magnifying glasses to things relating to Form and forget something important as we were confused about the stuff we saw? Another possibility has been voiced here already. I’m not yet sure of what to say of it but I try. So Form voted for Caran, late, with sham reasons. Then wolf-Caran killed him? Some have noted, that it would be too dangerous (and overjumpy) to go for the kill just after being voted. But what if Caran (&others) were actually thinking Form to be the seer? His late vote for Caran might be interpretated just as a sign from the Seer before the Night. If the Seer has his first dream of the wolf, he surely would like to leave a “note” of it somewhere immediately or very soon. But not in a way that would be immediately be interpreted as a Seers message: those would be read only afterwards. And that’s just too valuable information to die with. So Caran & fellows got nervous and killed him off. And anyways, if they had any reason to believe that Form was the Seer, then the sooner the better? They would have to stand before the village because of the dead Seer oneDay, and later there might be even more damage done to the wolves cause... There is an innocent feel in Caran, but “my lorebook” tells me, she can be quite innocent looking when being a wolf – a bit more jumpy and active in this game maybe... Surely Caran should be followed. But I see there are other things going on too... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...