Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

For most players you would be right, but with sauce the wanting him dead would override tactics...

I wonder why everyone always regards Sauce that scary... I mean, he is scary, but not that scary...

I'm leaving now. My vote stays the same as I suspect morm as much as my other main suspect Cara, and I feel an innocent Cara would be more useful to the village than an innocent morm with his current behaviour.

[Nogrod]

There is interesting discussion around the behaviour of both Fea and Morm. They both are playing differently than they normally play. Fea says she’s doing it intentionally, Morm clings on lmp’s notion of WW-fatigue. Both seem dubious to me. Because:

Fea.
I have personally nothing against changing your playingstyle (some may remember that I actually suggested to the Barrow-Wight a possibility of playing with false identities to do just that safely). I myself for instance have tried to tone down my own gaming little by little – and I think I’m making some proggress (well there have been occasional setbacks but still...). But if one wants to totally turn her game upside-down, one would be wise to inform others about it before the roles are given! In-game that kind of declaration calls for suspicion, and with a reason! (And Caran had a point in #189 too). That kind of under-radar going – if you would get us to believe you long enough would be again a masterpiece of sorts (though a bit un-ethical one, but then this is WW...). So in the end, you actually hadn’t changed your style, but only from the surface: still taking huge risks!

Morm.
I agree with Spm that all this WW-fatigue stuff is nonsense. If you were fatigued with the WW, you wouldn’t be playing. Simple as that. So it might be tactics, not trying to make himself look suspicious for playing similarily as he played earlier for the succesful wolf. But Spm left one important thing out when he considered it too risky for two wolves (lmp & Morm) to adopt the same tactics. Maybe Morm just took his chance when lmp was symphatetically offering him a possible reason for his very different behaviour? Lmp might be an innocent helping the wolf-Morm unintentionally?

[Nogrod]

I'll have to go to my essays now. I'll be back, as I wouldn't like to miss voting for two Days in a row (hopefully Kath doesn't cut the deadline with one hour again ).

The voting so far:
LMP => Caran (Caran-1)
morm => Caran (Caran-2)
LMP ≠> Caran => Spawn (Caran-1, Spawn-1)
Lhuna => Durelin (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1)
Lommy => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, morm-1)
SPM => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1)
Tom => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-2)
Caran => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-2)
tgwbs => Morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The invitation for quality time with big bro and the need to finish some papers mean that I'm not going to be around for end of day voting.

++CARAN

On a topic that isn't my own vote, I give everybody permission to kill me if it is so desired. I won't hold a grudge.

After all, this could be a bluff (to which degree, I wonder?). You won't know until I'm dead. But I can be very helpful if you give me the benefit of the doubt for a few more days. I hope everybody chooses wisely. Now... I'm going fishing and paper writin'.

[Nogrod]

Oh, just before I go.

I saw Spawn's last post there and remebered one thing she had said earlier. If Caran is a wolf, they must have assumed that Form made his hint in a stupid (I would say "self-revealing") way by voting the dreamed wolf. I don't know Form as a player (we were in a same game once, but I can't remember anything miraculous from him, died early I gather) so you who know him better should come forwards with your opinions. How people would consider him? Could he, on the other hand be so bold as to try to scare the wolves by so openingly leaving "the message" - after all it would be a message only to the wolves before he dies?

Secondly: concerning Fea and Morm. It would be quite reckless from the wolves to invest in two of them playing with totally changed styles. So probably they both aren't wolves. (But then again: a wolf pair Fea & Morm might be the only pick from our list to do just that! ) As I still think they both aren't wolves, I would possibly be leaning towards Fea being the more wolvish one. My judgement is somewhat unbalanced right now, I admit, as I myself struggle with loads of RL-work and can somehow relate to Morm's tiredness at the moment.

EDIT: X-posted with Fea

[The Saucepan Man]

I've not got much time, so this will be brief.

I deduce that Caran is a Wolf.

- - FEANOR OF THE PEREDHIL

+ + CARANLONDIEN

Hopefully, I'll have a chance to get back a bit later.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I have to go. I haven't been able to be around as much as I had hoped, so I don't have any firm opinion of Caran or others who have gathered suspicions toDay. I think I'll add

++Mith

in the mix for the reasons I stated in my last post. Good Night.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

hopefully Kath doesn't cut the deadline with one hour again

Well she's been using 10:00pm GMT every time so far, so I hope you plan to be back by then

Feanor's latest post... I get an impression of earnestness, and I'm not confident of her guilt. But earnestness is what a wolf would be going for, too. I still don't want to vote for morm, so my vote stands.

LMP => Caran (Caran-1)
morm => Caran (Caran-2)
LMP ≠> Caran => Spawn (Caran-1, Spawn-1)
Lhuna => Durelin (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1)
Lommy => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, morm-1)
SPM => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1)
Tom => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-2)
Caran => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-2)
tgwbs => Morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
Fea => Caran (Caran-2, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
SpM ≠> Feanor => Caran (Caran-3, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
Spawn => Mith (Caran-3, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1)

Left to vote: Cailín, Nilp, Celuien, Nogrod, Fin, Mith, Durelin

EDIT: Forgot to take away SpM's vote for Fea

[Cailín]

I am back and slowly catching up (while trying to recover from grave academic failure).

I must say, Fea's attitude frustrates me to no end (though that might be me more than her). I may vote for her out of sheer annoyance, but hopefully I can find a more worthy candidate to be on the receiving end of my vote.

[Cailín]

First, apologies for my lack of activity toDay. This post will not make it much better.

The three primary lynch candidates seem right now:

Mormegil

I do believe he might be an Ordo suffering from Werewolf weariness. I also find his contributions decidedly strange. I'm not too interested in lynching him toDay, however, simply because I cannot accept WolfMormegil would sink this low.

Feanor

Though I share the frustration and have no idea what she's trying to achieve, I do not find her wolvish. Rather, she will turn out to be another bored Ordo trying to be controversional. I don't know. No clear picture here.

Caranlondien

I can't see the case against her. That Wolf Caran suspected Formendacil to be the Seer... no. That's rather ridiculous. Nogrod, I think you asked, Formendacil made the most excellent Seer I have ever seen in action in Anguirel's game. Since he was not the Seer this time, this is academic, but Form would never have behaved thusly had he had a dream of Caranlondien.

On the other hand, it may very well be that Caran is a wolf... and that because she drew too much suspicion yesterDay, her wolf comrades are using her as a sacrifice to make them look innocent, in which case the Form kill is perfectly sensible. However, that's just a private theory.

Mith seems like an Ordo.

Spawn is evil. She always is in my eyes.

I have to choose now and I'm rather tired. So go on:

++Caranlondien

To clear up this confusion. I know it is unethical to vote for someone you are not actually suspicious of, but I think the village needs to know her identity. I don't think either Morm or Fea is particularly guilty either. Rather, considering toDay's proceedings, I think it's littlemanpoet and Saucepan Man whom I shall be looking closely at henceforth.

[Mithalwen]

OK I have made up my mind more or less but I want toanswer a few things.

Spawn, I said I had been able to get a few glimpses of the board during the day. My comments when I arrived were my feelings based on those glimpses. It seems perfectly rational to me to look carefully when ones hunches seem backed up by others doubts.


Other people, notably Lommy, have been saying I am insubstantial. I disagree. Yes I haven't had so much time but I deny frothyness. May not be earth shattering insight but to be honest, I haven't seen much of great substance. A few notable absences yes .. I know RL life intrudes, and had I known what this week would throw up I would have reconsidered playing. But still ....

Anyway, I have done a sort of spidergraph. Mainly instincts but the analytical side of my mind is tired so I will let the intuitive side have a crack. I have ended up with a spectrum, or a Swingometer.

At the seeming innocent end I have :

Nogrod
Cailin
Sauce I still feel is an innocent but this should never be assumed.
Spawn - find it unlikely that as a wolf she would have permitted the death of someone who had "marked her card". However there is an possibility that our changeling decided the kill last night. I don't know whether Form is a more likely choice for a permanent or temporary wolf. All I can think is that he was chosen because he is a formidable player but one who on yesterday's lacklustre performance was a, unlikely to give many leads and b, was unlikely to be protected.
Celuien seems sensible likely innocent could be a calm wolf dunno..
LMP has moved up towards the innocent end since yesterday because what he has written today makes sense.
TGWBS .... I have moved him from unclassified towards seeming innocence... can't qute remember why though.
Fin - seemed innocent yesterday, hasn't registered anything on my radar to change my mind.

In the Just don't know either becasue of bafflement or not enough presence group I have Lhuna, Fea, morm. Fea would be the most suspicious still of this group. I genuinely don't know. Sauce finds my indecison interesting but he has been uncertain about Fea himself so ...

The finding more suspicious group

Tom
Lommy possibly the other way around

Very suspicious

Durelin
Caran

Durelin's posts seemed so odd. All the talk of team work .. well the villagers want to survive but the only team here are the furry three. I know it isn't a big thing but it has stuck.

Caran so nearly got my vote yesterday and today she seems to be trying too hard to be helpful...

I really would not be suprised if they were both wolves but one vote only.. will just check what has been going on sinceI started this post before I vote.

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Caran so nearly got my vote yesterday and today she seems to be trying too hard to be helpful...

I always try to be helpful. Your first impression on me was on a day when RL was making it difficult to read other people's posts or make posts myself. It seems like either people are ignoring my RL issues or they don't believe me... you can ask Aiwendil, I was visiting him in another village...

[Caranlondien]

LMP => Caran (Caran-1)
morm => Caran (Caran-2)
LMP ≠> Caran => Spawn (Caran-1, Spawn-1)
Lhuna => Durelin (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1)
Lommy => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, morm-1)
SPM => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1)
Tom => morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-2)
Caran => Feanor (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-2)
tgwbs => Morm (Caran-1, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
Fea => Caran (Caran-2, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
SpM ≠> Feanor => Caran (Caran-3, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-2, morm-3)
Spawn => Mith (Caran-3, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1)
Cailín => Caran (Caran-4, Spawn-1, Durelin-1, Feanor-1, morm-3, Mith-1)

Left to vote: Nilp, Celuien, Nogrod, Fin, Mith, Durelin

[Mithalwen]

Maybe but the bells started ringing and they haven't stopped. If I am wrong - well sorry, I know only to well that RL can get in the way but I took the easy option with my vote for Fea yesterday. We have to know .... and I really don't understand why you went after Sauce yesterday.

++ Caranlondien

[Durelin]

I do hate explaining myself, so I'll just say one thing: I can get a little carried away with my 'occupation,' I suppose.

But anyway...

Sadly, I am unable to do much more other than gather things up quickly and vote.

I'll just run through real quick as best as I can those that are getting lot of attention right now...or actually, those who have votes right now.

Fea hasn't really sparked my interest, when it comes to being wolfish, at all...yet. Perhaps it is because she comes closest to matching my style, at least as it seems to me. So I think currently that suspicions about her are just as off track as those that are directed towards myself. Besides, she would be a very foolish wolf if she participated in lynching Caran, who already voted for her. And I don't see her as a foolish wolf. Unless of course we want to get into my crazy reverse psychology again. *cue groans and rotten tomatoes* No? Okay then.

morm really hasn't been noticable at all. I practically forgot he lived in this village! I don't think that's enough to say he's a wolf, though. I really don't know about him, and so I don't feel comfortable voting for him just yet.

Caran seems to be getting upset, which is I suppose understandable, but not a wise move. Most innocent villagers are glad to die for the villages cause, or mention how they'll be sitting back and laughing in the afterlife. Okay, so not all... But I doubt it would be wise for a wolf to get upset over the possibility of their death, especially when there are still a number of votes to be cast. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with voting for her yet either.

Spawn contributes quite a bit, though I wouldn't call her bold. She's worth looking at, as everyone is. But that's the problem. She doesn't stand out to me as a wolfish candidate. And really, she hasn't gotten as much attention as the others.

Mith is an interesting suspect, too. She is not so much into the lengthy summaries as Spawn is, but she still manages to contribute. And so she tends to stand out. But all I know about her right now is this: if SPM happens to be killed tonight, then Mith seems much less guilty (unless of course, we go with the reverse psychology idea or 'double bluff'), all because of this quote:

Originally Posted by Mith

Bear in mind Sauce, If I were a wolf you would almost certainly be already dead. No offence and you know it is really a compliment, but you would be my top priority to get out of the way.

Durelin...definitely a wolf.

Anyway (again)...

It's interesting. In many cases, people are more likely to gain suspicion when they make brief posts. I suppose that might be because people think they are trying to stay under the radar, or it could be that not all of us have the time and energy to pick through the longer ones, and so just relent to probable innocence...

I'm feeling uncomfortable, though. There are some people that just have not gotten any real attention whatsoever. I know it is only Day Two, and there must be some kind of focus in order to get anywhere, but it still leaves me feel like our backs aren't covered. Okay, so they really aren't... But that leaves me in a predicament. In some ways, it's good to wait till near the end of the Day to vote, in other ways it's not. You get to see some interesting reactions to the voting, and your vote becomes important. But that's where the problem lies. It's important. And you've got all these suspects lined up...and you feel like you should go for someone who's nowhere near the noose. But does it do any good to vote for someone when you know they're not going to get lynched? That's like pulling a Pontius Pilate, at least Bible style Pilate.

Okay, here we go...back to the beginning with SPM.

He's been acting rather like SPM, seeming to get irritated with people as he normally does, and ranting quite a lot. That's normal for him. But he's a bit more aggressive than I've experienced him being...though subtlely. I may be waaaayyy off, but he is not sticking to his votes or his statements. This might be proof of his innocence, but it might not be. He doesn't even seem to be headed in a certain direction, as far as I can tell, and there is nothing wrong with that, except that it's Saucie. I feel compelled to 'wait and see,' and yet I must vote. I'd like to see if I get killed tonight...then I think everyone should keep a closer eye on Saucie, as I would be the second person he defended and then 'offed.' I do think he's a lote smarter than that, though. But I'm not sure if that necessarily has anything to do with it. A wolf victory can come in many forms.

Okay, I've got to get going.

++Saucepan Man

EDIT: Cross-posted with Caran (times two), Mith (times three), lmp, and Celuien. It seems I look like I've joined a bandwagon again. *sigh* Ya can't win.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Durelin

In some ways, it's good to wait till near the end of the Day to vote, in other ways it's not. You get to see some interesting reactions to the voting, and your vote becomes important. But that's where the problem lies. It's important. And you've got all these suspects lined up...and you feel like you should go for someone who's nowhere near the noose. But does it do any good to vote for someone when you know they're not going to get lynched? That's like pulling a Pontius Pilate, at least Bible style Pilate.

How true, Durelin!