Gothmog - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

A_Brandybuck · 06-02-2006, 12:01 PM

Tolkien used many names of his old legends in Lord of the Rings. Maybe this was causes, because he was never thinking, that his Silmarillion will be published. Consequently he could have used his generated names in a new way. But this only a theory.

Back to topic. There are more names on the evil side. 'Grond' is the name of the big ram, which is used to break the gates of Minas Tirith. 'Grond' is also the name of the big hammer, which Melkor used as weapon against Fingolfin in the First Age.

In the context of the storyline, it could be, that the evil forces named themselves or their weapons with old names. A sign of valuation maybe.

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Originally Posted by ninja91

Wow! That was a great answer. I think that is so strange and compelling that we do not know what Gothmog the Morgul lieutenant was! *shudders in excitement*
Tolkien also seems to change his mind alot doesnt he? I mean with the balrog society and the orc/goblin distinction...

Always. He has never stoppen to change his mind.

ninja91 · 06-02-2006, 12:10 PM

Well, Grond being the hammer of Morgoth relates to the Grond of the Morgul-host, because the Grond of the Morgul-host was the Hammer of the Underworld.

narfforc · 06-02-2006, 01:31 PM

If you read the lists of Stewards, there are a whole heap of names Tolkien uses from his earlier unpublished works.

Kuruharan · 06-02-2006, 04:34 PM

For some squabbling about the nature of Gothmog, click here.

narfforc · 06-05-2006, 04:25 AM

At the end of The Battle of The Pelennor Fields the enemy soldiers that were still alive, were gathered together before the broken gates of Minas Tirith, and told someone had to pay for the damage, Aragorn asked for Gothmog to make himself known, he was answered with shouts of:

I'm Gothmog
I'm Gothmog and so was dad before me
I'm Gothmog and so is my pet rat

Aragorn pointed to the nearest and asked why they all thought they were Gothmog, the soldier answered 'Well it's a popular name innit, a bit like Paragon son of Paramount Alesser Heir of Everdulls son Evenduller'
this caused much laughing and guffawing amongst the captured enemy soldiers, who enjoyed the fact their pet name for enemy king was now out in the open.

06-02-2006, 01:31 PM	#3
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	If you read the lists of Stewards, there are a whole heap of names Tolkien uses from his earlier unpublished works. __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER.

06-02-2006, 04:34 PM	#4
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	For some squabbling about the nature of Gothmog, click here. Last edited by Kuruharan; 06-05-2006 at 08:37 PM. Reason: shocking lack of punctuation

06-05-2006, 04:25 AM	#5
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	At the end of The Battle of The Pelennor Fields the enemy soldiers that were still alive, were gathered together before the broken gates of Minas Tirith, and told someone had to pay for the damage, Aragorn asked for Gothmog to make himself known, he was answered with shouts of: I'm Gothmog I'm Gothmog and so was dad before me I'm Gothmog and so is my pet rat Aragorn pointed to the nearest and asked why they all thought they were Gothmog, the soldier answered 'Well it's a popular name innit, a bit like Paragon son of Paramount Alesser Heir of Everdulls son Evenduller' this caused much laughing and guffawing amongst the captured enemy soldiers, who enjoyed the fact their pet name for enemy king was now out in the open. __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER.