WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[Diamond18]

Diamond18 - Very hard to judge at times, but can also be a sneaky baddie.

I wish.

JennyHallu - She's bad to the bone

*cough cough* That was my line.

I don't really see what the discussion about the Cobbler is here. The Cobbler is bad, and dangerous. Even if they don't manage to figure out who the wolves are an expertly nudge them to victory (a la SpM... and I believe TORE was once a victorious Cobbler, though I didn't read that game, just saw it in the Grimoire) they are a liability and do not have the Elves' well being in mind. If we can kill Werepenguins instead, yay us, but if we get the Cobbler I'll be smiling.

A possible scenario would be for the Seer to dream of the Cobbler, and if/when they reveal, they can just tell us to ignore whatever that person says. But as this scenario requires the Seer revealing (and consequently dying) I still think that lynching the cobbler (or laughing when the penguins kill him/her at night) would do us just fine.

[Firefoot]

Our dear leaders Turgon and Elenwe, gone!? Aiee! I say we run around like leaderless chickens with our heads cut off, haphazardly voting and hoping to kill some penguins!!

Er, yeah. Miscellaneous comment of the day. I had to do it.

Concerning the cobbler: the cobbler is only bad if s/he survives to the point where there are an equal number of villagers and WP's excluding the cobbler. That's bad. But right now, I'm definitely not worried about the cobbler. As long as s/he ends up dead somewhere along the way, we're fine. Who knows? The wolves might even kill him/her... the wolves don't know who the cobbler is, either.

Now, who looks guilty...? Roa, obviously not doing a very good job of guarding Elenwe... and phantom the squire isn't doing an outstanding job either...

[Boromir88]

Some quick comments on people so far before I must be off...

Valier and Eonwe are acting too strange to be evil penguins. I don't think wps would act in this manner in the very early goings of the game.

Firefoot brought up useful comment on the cobbler, one which I completely forgot about, seeing as I have no remembrance of a cobbler for a very very long time now. So Firefoot I'm ok with for now, a very logical sensible person to have around.

I can't find much significance in Roa's, phantom's, or Diamond's, posts yet, so there's nothing for me to go off of.

I shall now depart.

[JennyHallu]

Dearies, after some friendly introductions all around, couldn't we focus on finding these incendiary enemies? The cobbler is useless without werecreatures.

And as I can see it, a bomb and a...a...nothing do not point to penguins. Those cute little birds couldn't possibly have made a bomb. I don't know anything about pyrotechnics, but I'm sure it requires opposable thumbs, or fingers, or something.

But perhaps that hotheaded transparent youth knows something we don't. A Freudian slip perhaps? How do you know the penguins are evil? I think he must be one of them.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by B88

Valier and Eonwe are acting too strange to be evil penguins. I don't think wps would act in this manner in the very early goings of the game.

Haha! Yes but think of the double-bluff implication on that one will you! And don't complain to me if the triple-bluff gets to you. You signed up for this were-penguine expose!

[Naria]

Hi everyone! It's been a really long hard day trying to keep those goats in check. I really don't have too many thoughts on the goings on so far and I'm too tired to care right now. I'll be back on around 11 hours or so from now(CST) with hopefully a clearer head.

[Anguirel]

Oh dear, this is not a very positive situation. The confounded penguins seem to have something against minstrels.

Right. Just to be on the safe side, I'm not touching my lute or my flute till those acccursed creatures are all unmasked. And frankly, I don't care if that makes me even less canonical.

So far...

I always like an opportunity to pick a fight with the phantom. Sadly, his two posts so far have been eminently sensible. Penguins are evil and the cobbler will probably try and seem intelligent-unless they're in the more direct suicidal mode. All the same, o kin of Turgon, I do not trust thee. With you it's assuredly guilty till proven innocent.

Eonwe's contribution is slight but to be fair he's low on material at that point.

Diamond, were she not Dimwe Diamond and entitled to a little...skittling, would be still more worrying than she already is.

Valier's behaviour is normal and not that suspicious.

Boromir's first post seems to deliver little helpful thought, but he sometimes takes a while to get into his stride. The last time I accused him on a Day One he turned out to be a Ranger. And his second post is much better.

Firefoot's proposed course of action is the one I shall probably adopt, headless chickenery and all. With Boromir and the phantom she's one I'd fear most as a penguin, but that's no real basis for lynching. Yet.

[the phantom]

We don't need to worry about the Cobbler. We're going to lynch a couple non-WPs during this little adventure, and the WPs are going to be killing non-WPs (obviously) every night, so there's a decent chance that the Cob will bite the dust without any effort on our part.

Not to mention the fact that he counts as a villager in the tally, so he helps us in that way.

Originally Posted by Footie

Concerning the cobbler: the cobbler is only bad if s/he survives to the point where there are an equal number of villagers and WP's excluding the cobbler. That's bad.

Well yeah, but if that situation comes up a clever villager could preempt the WPs and step forward and claim to be a WP and demand that the Cobbler vote with him. Then perhaps a real WP would step forward to contest the claim? Then it would be up to the Cobbler to decide who was the real WP.

Even if the Cob is the tie-breaking vote, he might not necessarily vote the right way- that is if the remaining villagers are also pretending to be WPs.

Am I explaining that well? I'm really sleepy, so sorry if everything I say is muddled.

Originally Posted by Jenn

How do you know the penguins are evil? I think he must be one of them.

I already explained my logic dearie. Flightless birds are not natural- they border on sickening in my mind. I think they are the handiwork of Melkor, and therefore they are evil.

Anyway, I'll say more later on in the day.

For now, Seer- don't you dare hint about last night's dream in such a way that is recognizable! Wait until at least tomorrow before dropping hints, and try to keep them subtle.

I would recommend that everyone drop a hint of innocence about a fellow villager or two in the following days as if you were the Seer and had dreamed that person innocent. That should make it easier for the Seer to hide.

Giving hints about guilt won't be as good a cover for the Seer, because with these odds it is likely you will hint at the guilt of a non-WP, and so the WPs will quickly cross you off the list of possible Seers.

Oh, and before I go- Spawn is a WP. But she's too pretty for me to vote for right now.

I'll be back later.