WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[Firefoot]

Our dear leaders Turgon and Elenwe, gone!? Aiee! I say we run around like leaderless chickens with our heads cut off, haphazardly voting and hoping to kill some penguins!!

Er, yeah. Miscellaneous comment of the day. I had to do it.

Concerning the cobbler: the cobbler is only bad if s/he survives to the point where there are an equal number of villagers and WP's excluding the cobbler. That's bad. But right now, I'm definitely not worried about the cobbler. As long as s/he ends up dead somewhere along the way, we're fine. Who knows? The wolves might even kill him/her... the wolves don't know who the cobbler is, either.

Now, who looks guilty...? Roa, obviously not doing a very good job of guarding Elenwe... and phantom the squire isn't doing an outstanding job either...

[Boromir88]

Some quick comments on people so far before I must be off...

Valier and Eonwe are acting too strange to be evil penguins. I don't think wps would act in this manner in the very early goings of the game.

Firefoot brought up useful comment on the cobbler, one which I completely forgot about, seeing as I have no remembrance of a cobbler for a very very long time now. So Firefoot I'm ok with for now, a very logical sensible person to have around.

I can't find much significance in Roa's, phantom's, or Diamond's, posts yet, so there's nothing for me to go off of.

I shall now depart.

[JennyHallu]

Dearies, after some friendly introductions all around, couldn't we focus on finding these incendiary enemies? The cobbler is useless without werecreatures.

And as I can see it, a bomb and a...a...nothing do not point to penguins. Those cute little birds couldn't possibly have made a bomb. I don't know anything about pyrotechnics, but I'm sure it requires opposable thumbs, or fingers, or something.

But perhaps that hotheaded transparent youth knows something we don't. A Freudian slip perhaps? How do you know the penguins are evil? I think he must be one of them.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by B88

Valier and Eonwe are acting too strange to be evil penguins. I don't think wps would act in this manner in the very early goings of the game.

Haha! Yes but think of the double-bluff implication on that one will you! And don't complain to me if the triple-bluff gets to you. You signed up for this were-penguine expose!

[Naria]

Hi everyone! It's been a really long hard day trying to keep those goats in check. I really don't have too many thoughts on the goings on so far and I'm too tired to care right now. I'll be back on around 11 hours or so from now(CST) with hopefully a clearer head.

[Anguirel]

Oh dear, this is not a very positive situation. The confounded penguins seem to have something against minstrels.

Right. Just to be on the safe side, I'm not touching my lute or my flute till those acccursed creatures are all unmasked. And frankly, I don't care if that makes me even less canonical.

So far...

I always like an opportunity to pick a fight with the phantom. Sadly, his two posts so far have been eminently sensible. Penguins are evil and the cobbler will probably try and seem intelligent-unless they're in the more direct suicidal mode. All the same, o kin of Turgon, I do not trust thee. With you it's assuredly guilty till proven innocent.

Eonwe's contribution is slight but to be fair he's low on material at that point.

Diamond, were she not Dimwe Diamond and entitled to a little...skittling, would be still more worrying than she already is.

Valier's behaviour is normal and not that suspicious.

Boromir's first post seems to deliver little helpful thought, but he sometimes takes a while to get into his stride. The last time I accused him on a Day One he turned out to be a Ranger. And his second post is much better.

Firefoot's proposed course of action is the one I shall probably adopt, headless chickenery and all. With Boromir and the phantom she's one I'd fear most as a penguin, but that's no real basis for lynching. Yet.

[the phantom]

We don't need to worry about the Cobbler. We're going to lynch a couple non-WPs during this little adventure, and the WPs are going to be killing non-WPs (obviously) every night, so there's a decent chance that the Cob will bite the dust without any effort on our part.

Not to mention the fact that he counts as a villager in the tally, so he helps us in that way.

Originally Posted by Footie

Concerning the cobbler: the cobbler is only bad if s/he survives to the point where there are an equal number of villagers and WP's excluding the cobbler. That's bad.

Well yeah, but if that situation comes up a clever villager could preempt the WPs and step forward and claim to be a WP and demand that the Cobbler vote with him. Then perhaps a real WP would step forward to contest the claim? Then it would be up to the Cobbler to decide who was the real WP.

Even if the Cob is the tie-breaking vote, he might not necessarily vote the right way- that is if the remaining villagers are also pretending to be WPs.

Am I explaining that well? I'm really sleepy, so sorry if everything I say is muddled.

Originally Posted by Jenn

How do you know the penguins are evil? I think he must be one of them.

I already explained my logic dearie. Flightless birds are not natural- they border on sickening in my mind. I think they are the handiwork of Melkor, and therefore they are evil.

Anyway, I'll say more later on in the day.

For now, Seer- don't you dare hint about last night's dream in such a way that is recognizable! Wait until at least tomorrow before dropping hints, and try to keep them subtle.

I would recommend that everyone drop a hint of innocence about a fellow villager or two in the following days as if you were the Seer and had dreamed that person innocent. That should make it easier for the Seer to hide.

Giving hints about guilt won't be as good a cover for the Seer, because with these odds it is likely you will hint at the guilt of a non-WP, and so the WPs will quickly cross you off the list of possible Seers.

Oh, and before I go- Spawn is a WP. But she's too pretty for me to vote for right now.

I'll be back later.

[Macalaure]

Now the phantom scares me.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well yeah, but if that situation comes up a clever villager could preempt the WPs and step forward and claim to be a WP and demand that the Cobbler vote with him. Then perhaps a real WP would step forward to contest the claim? Then it would be up to the Cobbler to decide who was the real WP.

Even if the Cob is the tie-breaking vote, he might not necessarily vote the right way- that is if the remaining villagers are also pretending to be WPs.

In which case he is likely to reveal himself. Then all werepenguins will vote for him and win. It's not forbidden to vote for yourself, is it?
And if he's not tie-breaking, no penguin will bother to sacrifice itself to save the cobbler.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I already explained my logic dearie. Flightless birds are not natural- they border on sickening in my mind. I think they are the handiwork of Melkor, and therefore they are evil.

I always thought they were made by Ossë to please the Tele... wait, yes, they are evil.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I would recommend that everyone drop a hint of innocence about a fellow villager or two in the following days as if you were the Seer and had dreamed that person innocent. That should make it easier for the Seer to hide.

This way nobody benefits of the seer. Then it's better if he remains silent about his knowledge at all.
You really are serious about everybody should giving baseless assumptions. Is there an easier way for the werecreatures to hide?

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I would recommend that everyone drop a hint of innocence about a fellow villager or two in the following days as if you were the Seer and had dreamed that person innocent. That should make it easier for the Seer to hide.

This is also a good plan because if a non-gifted villager drops a subtle hint on who they think is guilty and turns out to be correct the penquins may kill him/her thinking they had gotten the real seer. Of course we would lose an innocent in the process, but our seer would be intake.
I think phantom's plan is a good one, but if everyone is dropping hints to mask the real seer we have to remember WP are doing it too. They can hide in hint-dropping as well.

Macalaure=I do grasp that concept. What I don't grasp is your idea that everybody should act seerish at the beginning in order to hide the seer. This will cause a lot of fuss in which the werewolves maybe can hide, too.

Yes they can hide too, but think of it this way. We're all dropping hints, the WP's are picking through random hints trying to find our seer, they kill an innocent, another day begins with random hints, they pick another innocent. If they do end up getting the seer we will have hints to look at, a clever seer can make a dream into a hint that is easily decoded. And if we are in danger of lynching the seer one day, they come forward and reveal what they know. That night if the ranger is alive still he/she protects the seer and we are blessed with one more dream. In any case though the WP's can hide like the seer, the pros of phantom's plan outweigh the cons.

Jenny=If you start speculating on who's gifted I'll be forced to distribute earplugs so the penguin-cursed on this little isle won't be able to hear you.

Thus assuming you know who the three cursed are, because I'm pretty sure you don't have earplugs for the whole village. Embroiderers don't make that much...

Boromir=
Macalaure is just catching onto the game, which means he's one of the most innocent looking ones to me so far. His lack of understanding and his objection to phantom's proposal speaks towards his innocence. There's no reason for penguins to attract that much attention to themselves early in the beginning. Seems like he's your ordinary innocent that is trying to help the village.

I quite agree, though I'm not a fan of him using his newbie status in his first few posts, I think his speaking against phantom's plan speaks highly of him, at least for today.

Anguirel=
Unless he himself is one of our foes and has already spotted a hint, in which case his proposed strategy is hideously ironic.

I don't think it really benefits a WP phantom to make such a suggestion. He could have picked up a hint, but I highly doubt the seer dropped a hint at this point. Boromir said he doubts phantom would be such a double-bluffer, today I'm inclined to believe that. I think it's too early for a WP to give a plan that so endangers their teammates, but of course I've been wrong about these things before. For right now I lean toward phantom being an innocent, though it may change as the days go on.

Spawn=
His first post is a noble attempt to make an analysis with minimal amount of material. Maybe a bit too noble, actually.

I don't really find a lot of suspicions in Anguirel's first post. He's doing what he can with what he's got. I'd be more concerned with Anguirel jumping on phantom's ideas the way he does. He whole-heartdly agrees with phantom's cobbler and seer ideas without (or it seems to me) really giving thought to what might go wrong with them. Anguirel is a bit suspicious to me, but not overly so. I would like to watch him for a bit.