WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

[the phantom]

Here's what Naria said about various people.

Anguirel- Hmmm he's a tuff one to understand. I don't like the way that he is being so pushy with his posts especially towards people that I don't find particularly evil right now. Quite frankly some of his posts don't make any sense at all and that doesn't sit well with me.

She's acting fairly suspicious of Ang.

Spawn- I don't know. She hasn't been playing like she normally does, maybe it's due to RL but maybe not. I would expect alot more from her by now and that just hasn't happened yet. Another one that isn't sitting well with me.

She's acting somewhat suspicious of Spawn, but as I said before I'm leaving Spawn alone.

Diamond- She seems to be acting per usual. Nothing to send up red flags yet.

She's pretty much saying Di=innocent. Do you think Penguin-Naria would do that?

Enca- She has some pretty good reasoning in her posts, but I am not ready to take my eye off of her just yet.

Earlier I said that Enca's vote makes me not suspect her so much, and this comment doesn't raise a red flag.

Firefoot- I'm not sure about. She seems to be trying to give it her all, but fumbles the ball at times. Like I said....I'm not sure.

She's very wishy-washy on Firefoot. What do you think of that?

Roa- Is evil! HA....I jest of course. But, I don't trust her nonetheless....I don't know if I ever will. She's crafty beyond belief. If there is one person that can pull off a septuple bluff, I'm sure Roa could do it with ease.

I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm inclined to attribute it to events that happened in Wizard-Werewolf. Her statement definitely ends on the note that we should be wary of Roa.

Valier- She's another hard one to read. I do want to mention, however that she can be quite the asset in a village with her uncanny ability for WW spotting.

She claims Val is difficult to read, and ends on a positive note. Hmm.

[Anguirel]

You're all going to groan.

But really, everyone, why are you so quick to leap to assert the innocence of...Diamond?

She was hallowed with vague trust (the Werewolf equivalent of damning with faint praise) by Naria. Boromir also said she was more innocent than guilty. Neither of them paid special attention to her. Are we all such cynics now that the old Werewolf trick of defence by association, inference, and mild reference is forgotten? That three wolves who defend each other quietly but effectively cannot be conceived of?

She got an early vote out against Spawn, who as phantom pointed out is looking pretty rosy at the moment, which could have easily spurred off a lynching. After Boromir's death she produced the distraction of Werewolf X. She has voted for first Lalaith, our Seer (though even as a penguin she wouldn't have known that), then Valier, who I think so stubbornly misguided she can't be guilty (not unlike Farael's performance a while back) with regard to me, and to whom we owe the unmasking of Naria; then spawn, an early vote absolving her from whatever happened in the night.

As regards to accusing her for being too Dimwe and too sensible...she's not sensible, so much as influential, and on a wavelength I find myself sympathising with. This increases the danger she poses if guilty.

So, I would guard...spawn, I think, who is the next most clearly innocent after phantom in my book; and I would hunt that blasted lycan Diamond.

[the phantom]

Good thoughts, Ang.

But I have to go to bed now. I'll try to drop by in about 6 hours.

If I don't, I guarantee I'll show up about five hours before the voting deadline and stick around for a while.

[Anguirel]

Having denounced Diamond in part for her early vote, I ought to warn you that I'll probably be doing the same thing. I'm going to a Roman party tonight, setting off at 5:45. I suspect I will return to see my mangled corpse, but if you're not into attacking those who can't defend themselves you might want to consider a stay of execution.

Anyway, I'll vote at, I expect, about 4:00 o' clock. And I will try and consider other options than Diamond; it just disconcerts me that you all trust her so solidly. I'll draw up another nice, campy list with all my suspicions and theories as well, and conclude with an order of suspects for the last wolf.

I'll probably hash together a defence of myself as well, I suppose.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Generally, quotes from Boro and Naria make Firefoot look rather bad. Boro was quick to express trust in her on Day 1 in his post #14...

"Firefoot brought up useful comment on the cobbler, one which I completely forgot about, seeing as I have no remembrance of a cobbler for a very very long time now. So Firefoot I'm ok with for now, a very logical sensible person to have around."

...which is a bit odd considering that the Day just started. That was the same post where he said that Val is too strange to be a WP, but I don't know if that makes them look more innocent or guilty. Would a WP Boro proclaim his comrade innocent so early on, I wonder.

Also, her post #328 from yesterDay was interesting. Ff gave her thoughts about her voting candidates, and they all were quite vague:

"Valier: I don't know"
"Naria: (...) I don't know what to do with her"
"Encai: A lot like Valier. I don't know what to do with Encai either"
"Spawn: (...) I really don't know what to think"

It's true that she giving a fourth vote for Naria at a time when there were two votes plus her own left is a bit questionable. Firefoot's replies to Valier toDay make me wary, too, because they seem more heated that would be necessary ("Well, duh, not even the wolves know who the cobbler is (...) Why the heck would a wolf say something like that?"). I don't deny the possibility that Valier is the last penguin, but I'm not very comfortable with Ff either.


As to Ang, my impression of him hasn't changed. I'm sure an Emperor Anguirel would be capable of putting together some sound thoughts as he has done toDay, but I look forward reading more from him. One quote from Day 1, though.

"I'm not quite sure I'm so desperately guilty as charged." ~Ang #44

That's an interesting way to put it.


Hmm, Roa then. I had a dream that she was a WP, but since I'm no Seer I will happily disregard it now. She has been helpful from the beginning, and although that itself doesn't prove someone's innocence, there are plenty of more suspicious people around, too. Just one thing:

Roa, you listed yourself as a suspect of Boromir's, but at the end of the Day he seemed to lean towards your innocence. Although he said things like, "Roa, I find this act of taking things out of context and twisting really really strange did I hit a nerve?" ~ #75

...his last comments of you were:

"Roa's acts are strange but it actually in a wierd way makes her look more innocent to me. She's just being far too aggressive" ~ #85

"Roa seems more like a lost innocent than a bandwagoning penguin" ~#85


Di, it was parts of posts as I said in #304.


Now, if I had to pick the most suspicious person to hunt, I'd choose Anguirel, and I'd guard Encai because her vote makes her look rather innocent.

[Anguirel]

"I'm not quite sure I'm so desperately guilty as charged." ~Ang #44

Spawnowen, you sprightly sophist! I was talking there about boredom, not pinguescence. (That word exists, by the way. I love it.)

List et al coming when I have a breathing space.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Spawnowen, you sprightly sophist! I was talking there about boredom, not pinguescence. (That word exists, by the way. I love it.)

You were? Sorry, I guess I got confused by those tortellinis. You can never tell about pasta... I didn't suspect you for not being playful enough, and since you were answering my case about you, I thought you were referring to it. Never mind then.

[Anguirel]

Okay. Let's have the list.

Valier-Since I do not think Valier's pinguescence likely, I am going to use this partly as an opportunity to rebut her charges against me. But I'll deal with her first.

Of course, if she was a penguin, Valier wouldn't have attacked phantom. Yet it does not follow that, as phantom was not attacked, Valier must be guilty. I disagree with Firefoot that her catching of Naria makes her suspicious-I think it was a brilliant and opportune guess from the viewpoint of a villager.

However, that does not change the fact that she's been wrong about everything else. She was manifestly (apart from her first, joking, post) wrong about Boromir; wrong about Eonwe and Macalaure; and quite wrong, I assure you, about me. Valier is "intuiting", which is heightened guesswork. Her actual charge levelled at me most frequently is that I'm too "pushy". As a matter of fact, this game I've been rather off the ball, detached and laid-back, as far as I can see. None of the candidates (luckily, in some cases...Kitanna) I've backed have been lynched. Noone believes my Diamond theory. I am generally regarded as a slightly spavined hermit and a penguin into the bargain. Clearly my pushiness is of a deeply esoteric, and incompetent, kind...


Now-spawn. phantom states her vote is a reassuring one and I largely agree. Her suspicion of me for a long time seems to me pretty reasonable, and I'm almost encouraged to see it flaring up again. I would be extremely surprised were she guilty and expect the penguin will munch her pretty sharpish.

Firefoot-playing a similar, but inverted, role to spawn, Firefoot has today been an outspoken defender of me and accuser of Valier. On the one hand this is a bold move for a penguin, but on the other Valier and I provide fine distraction from her-she was also under quite a lot of suspicion yesterday. Her defence of me shows a trust in my innocence that could be born of knowledge and a desire to get me onside. She's replaced Enca as my second suspect.

Enca-I had quite a lot of confidence in Lalaith's theories regarding Enca, but few agreed with me and they are now admittedly looking a good deal less possible. Enca has been known as an adept of sacrificing fellow-penguins before, but I doubt this is one of those times. I now agree that her numeracy does show a measure of dedication, though we should bear in mind the phantom's qualification. Thus, she has fallen behind Firefoot.

Diamond-see above. I really think Diamond fulfills all the criteria for a penguin's position and behaviour at this stage, and the indifference of those around me to my thoughts and their assumption of her innocence confirms my suspicions-I feel like Fea endlessly ranting about LMP in WWIII. Besides, Diamond's recent defensive switch against me fits penguin psychology once she's lost her second mate in an occurence last night she didn't witness, and can't have expected. Look at the other penguins' opinions of her. The simple answer, in my view.

Roa-Her reaction to the Naria-bandwagon-which was founded on a leap of faith and could have been as easily wrong as right-lessens my suspicions of her, and if I'm wrong about Diamond-inconceivable! Anguirel is never wrong!-I think Roa may have pinpointed, in Firefoot, the Emperor Penguin. Her approach has been comprehensive and analytical, if at times fatiguingly so. I agree with Firefoot that she is extremely unlikely to be guilty.

But...there is always a but, and a possibility. Penguin frustration at the loss of a comrade without a case, without "intellectual integrity"? What is certain is that her Firefoot vote was possibly practical in the long-term, but in the short-term quixotic, born of irritation; but this does not, to me, point to guilt in such an accomplished operator.

There. That should be the whole lot of ye.

Oh yes, and-

++DIAMOND

Should have blasted well stayed consistent and built up pressure yesterday. I doubt I'll be listened to this time, but it's worth a try.

Now I'm off. Oh, and if you do decide to lynch me, let me give one last lute performance...

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

After Boromir's death she produced the distraction of Werewolf X.

A distraction, you call it? Excuse moi. It was Roa I believe who first requested knowledge of how Boro as a wolf played. It was tp who posted PM's from WWX. I read through the game and brought up posts that showed exactly how he behaved in relation to his fellow wolves, and pointed out the similarities to this game. If that's a distraction, as you're calling it, I must be completely wrong about where Boro would have placed his wolves in his suspicions, ergo either you or Roa are definitely wolves. Yes? And between the two of you, I know exactly who to vote for:

+ + ANGUIREL, the Cod-Rhyming PENGUIN

If not Ang, then Valier, I think, because an innocent Valier usually isn't that wrong about people.

I'm going to try and cram some more reading in to see if there's any reason I should retract before heading off to work.

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa, you listed yourself as a suspect of Boromir's, but at the end of the Day he seemed to lean towards your innocence. Although he said things like, "Roa, I find this act of taking things out of context and twisting really really strange did I hit a nerve?" ~ #75

When I said he found me suspicious on Day, he had found me suspicious. He didn't back off untill I pressed my attack on him. Also, thankyou for the quotes from Boromir. I got all the Boromir quotes that I posted from phantom's post #251 .

I'm curious- is anyone else giving credence to my idea, or do you all think I've completely lost it now and I'm getting far too deep in these whole analysis thing? I realize it may be tedious to read through (just think how tedious it was to get it) but I really do think it will help. I'm going to use the little time I have right now to make a list of where the suspicion and trust crossed between everyone.

If you want the quotes I'm using for this list, you'll have to go back and see for yourself, since I don't have time. All the crossing will obviously be up till time of death.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, has anyone come up with an idea why it was Mac killed in phantom's place?

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Also, has anyone come up with an idea why it was Mac killed in phantom's place?

Either Valier is a penguin and didn't want to die, or someone else is a penguin and didn't want people to be able to rule Valier out as a suspect.

And Mac was generally trusted, so a likely alternative. I thought you were next on their hit list, personally, but.....

Oh, and I forget to put this in my last post:

Originally Posted by Ang

Spawnowen-is to Diamond what Diamond is to me-a pet lynching project.

Not even close to being true. I suspected for her one day after doing an analysis, held off voting because she wasn't around, and voted for her the next day. This hardly compares to "Diamond is Dolorous! Doesn't anyone agree with me? I disagree with her, she's evil, I agree with her, she's evil, oh woe is me won't anyone listen to my case???"

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Roa

Also, has anyone come up with an idea why it was Mac killed in phantom's place?

If Val isn't the last penguin, I believe Mac was chosen because he wasn't around yesterDay and he voted for Eonwe who was removed from the village anyway, so killing him left the least trails to follow.

Back to rereading...

[Roa_Aoife]

The list I made of Boromir's supects came from post #46 , which is where Boromir stated his suspicion of me. After wards, I called him on his falacy, and he backpedaled quickly as my attack showed no sign of slacking off. I've counted myself as suspected by him because I was, up until he tried to cover his rear. Hence I why I put us as "mutually suspected." If you disagree, you're free to make your own list.

I have to go, and my computer just deleted the quick cross post I had made. I don't know if I'll be back by voting, so I vote now, just in case.

And Diamond, if she back handed you for a case of faulty reasoning, then should she be backhanded for her case of faulty reasoning?

++Spawn

Just on my lists she looks the worst. I haven't made an analysis of her yet, so if I get back in time, it may change.

Edit, fixed my vote

[Valier]

Originally Posted by The Emperor

Having denounced Diamond in part for her early vote, I ought to warn you that I'll probably be doing the same thing. I'm going to a Roman party tonight, setting off at 5:45. I suspect I will return to see my mangled corpse, but if you're not into attacking those who can't defend themselves you might want to consider a stay of execution.

Anyway, I'll vote at, I expect, about 4:00 o' clock. And I will try and consider other options than Diamond; it just disconcerts me that you all trust her so solidly. I'll draw up another nice, campy list with all my suspicions and theories as well, and conclude with an order of suspects for the last wolf.

I'll probably hash together a defence of myself as well, I suppose

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This whole post is odd!! He tries to make us feel bad, so we don't vote for him because he will not be here....laughable! He says he will consider other options besides Dia and he doesn't! He just votes for her. and what's up with him making a "campy list? are we not to be serious?

Originally Posted by the Emperor

However, that does not change the fact that she's been wrong about everything else. She was manifestly (apart from her first, joking, post) wrong about Boromir; wrong about Eonwe and Macalaure; and quite wrong, I assure you, about me. Valier is "intuiting", which is heightened guesswork. Her actual charge levelled at me most frequently is that I'm too "pushy". As a matter of fact, this game I've been rather off the ball, detached and laid-back, as far as I can see. None of the candidates (luckily, in some cases...Kitanna) I've backed have been lynched. No one believes my Diamond theory. I am generally regarded as a slightly spavined hermit and a penguin into the bargain. Clearly my pushiness is of a deeply esoteric, and incompetent, kind...

I am SURE that I am not wrong about you MR EMPEROR!!! Oh and I was not wrong about Naria either! You ? laid-back? HA you have been overly pushy!! and your vote again for Diamond is way off. Does anyone else believe her to be a penguin, but you Ang? You are grasping at straws today hey? well I guess it would be hard to come up with suspects and cases against them when you are the lone bad guy! Your Diamond bandwagon thing will not work today and you know it!! so why on earth would you not vote to actually pretend to HELP the village? YOU ARE EVIL, EVIL, EVIL!!!!!

[Encaitare]

Originally Posted by Ang

Noone believes my Diamond theory.

Ang, if you are lynched toDay and found to be innocent, I think that people will give much more credence to your theory. Right now, it would seem that the Valier issue is more important to everyone than what would seem a personal vendetta against Diamond.

Originally Posted by Roa

Also, has anyone come up with an idea why it was Mac killed in phantom's place?

As Diamond said... because he was generally considered innocent. The more controversial villagers who remain, the easier it is for the wolf to hide. But just in case there was something more to it, I'm going over who Mac suspected through the course of the name.

Mac - post 57: wonders why Ang voted for Eonwe when Enca was even more silent

Mac - post 97: votes for Kitanna because "Kitanna to me feels worse than Lalaith"

Mac - post 113: retracts Kitanna for Boro

Mac - post 138: says Ang, Di, and Phantom are on the top half of his suspicion list; Spawn and Valier are in the lower half. Mentions how Ang defended Boromir even though Ang said the evidence against Boro is frail.

Mac - post 182: votes for Jenny, also says that Valier seems more innocent than guilty.

Mac - post 239: votes for Eonwe. Also suspects Valier, but says the loss of an innocent Eonwe is not as severe a blow as the loss of an innocent Valier.

Aaaaand... then he dies. Seeing as he barely posted all of yesterDay, it seems that the WP chose to kill him because it would leave a cold trail. Plus, the majority of players in this game have played in many games before, and therefore would know better than, as a werecreature, to kill someone who had suspected them overNight.

Oh, total side note: I just realized now that in my post 368, Kitanna obviously should not be on that list. What with her being a zombie and us having to tie her to chairs, I forgot that she's technically dead.

EDIT: Cross posted with 6 (up to and including Spawn)

[Diamond18]

Okay, I've read and re-read all the quotes that have been posted toDay, and here's my feelings:

Ang - Still think there's something avian about that boy. If he is, I'll be somewhat disappointed because it will prove wrong my theory that Boro stayed true to form and put one Penguin in the "innocent" category and one in the "unsure" category. I guess I don't mind his case against me so much as the constant whinging that no one believes him and everyone trusts me and I'm weilding an inordinate amount of influence in the village. Puh. Leeze. This isn't even close to being true. There's also that odd statement to Roa on Day 1 -- backing Boro. His vote record isn't stunning, either.

Spwan -- I don't really agree with tp that Spawn and Naria wouldn't cross vote for each other. It's not stupid, it's bluffing. Sometimes bluffs work, sometimes they don't, doesn't make one stupid for trying. However I'm willing to hold off on her for toDay at least. I found it interesting to note that Naria thought me innocent and then bandwaggoned onto my Spawn vote, which if Spawn is innocent smacks of a framing of the Di should Spawn have died. Hmmm, who else wants to frame me this game, oh yeah, Ang!

Valier -- I find her posting as of late less suspicious, really. Is this a good sign for Val or a bad one? However, if Ang proves innocent then Valier's crusade against him will send her right back up there in my suspicions.

Roa -- So far I feel innocent. It is strange however to note that Boro actually described her as his "innocent" at the end of the day and she's been putting herself on "people Boro suspected" lists. If Ang, Spawn, and Valier all died innocent, would it be too late to start worrying about Roa?

Firefoot -- I don't really see the suspiciousness, actually. She's been a bit snappish, but then I remember an Innocent Firefoot giving an Innocent Diamond a backhand in Innocent Diamond's first game for suspecting her on dodgy reasoning. Also, if my theory does actually hold true, then Firefoot being on the same list as Naria excuses her somewhat.

Enca -- I don't know, I'm running out of time and apparently can't remember any of the Enca related quotes now. But she does share a spot on the "unsure" list so ditto for what I said about Firefoot in that regard.