2 questions about Lurtz - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

MatthewM · 06-16-2006, 01:58 PM

What do you mean Sean Bean needed a "funky" death scene? Boromir's death scene was done greatly, regardless of Sean Bean's "death status" in movies...a heroic death scene for a heroic character!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-18-2006, 06:55 AM

It regards Boromir's death scene somehow needing the death of the main Orc, courtesy of Aragorn. So Lurtz was invented and Ugluk was relegated. What a shame. As the quotations on the top-right of your screen demonstrate, Ugluk commands.

ArathorofBarahir · 01-03-2007, 03:32 PM

To my knowledge Lurtz was not in the books and I really, really would not like to see or even have to think about a female Orc. I already know what male orcs look like and they're pretty gruesome lord knows what female orcs look like.

Elladan and Elrohir · 01-04-2007, 04:56 PM

Incidentally, they could have made Ugluk the main orc, had him kill Boromir just as Lurtz does, leave with the other Uruks, then build him up a bit more in TTT (like his character in the books), and eventually have him slain by the Rohirrim. All in all, that might've been a better solution, and closer to the book, although I do love the shot of Lurtz cocking his bow a foot away from Boromir's face. You would have to lose that shot, obviously.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-05-2007, 07:20 AM

I still think having Aragorn do some flash-fighting takes away some tragedy from Boromir's death. Perhaps they wanted to lessen the impact. Maybe they thought the death-scene too sad.

Boromir88 · 01-05-2007, 10:56 AM

Eomer, interesting point. I remember in a thread long long ago where you talked about, that at times in the movie it was really hard to get emotional. There was this sad, mournful scene, then suddenly Gimli's cracking jokes, or there's high-pushed action and you just can't get connected and emotionally involved into the movies. Yes I do remember that to this day.

So, is that kind of how you felt here too? Here's this sad death of a mighty warrior, who made a mighty stand, yet it's not as effective because as Boromir is sitting their gurgling on his own blood Aragorn is ninja-ing it up with Lurtz.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-05-2007, 11:51 AM

Exactly, Boro. You're right: I've made the same point before and it's floating about on the forum somewhere. It's one example of where I think the films were designed to be just that bit more accessible for all types of movie-goer; and not just those wanting a fine tragedy.

06-18-2006, 06:55 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It regards Boromir's death scene somehow needing the death of the main Orc, courtesy of Aragorn. So Lurtz was invented and Ugluk was relegated. What a shame. As the quotations on the top-right of your screen demonstrate, Ugluk commands. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-03-2007, 03:32 PM	#3
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	To my knowledge Lurtz was not in the books and I really, really would not like to see or even have to think about a female Orc. I already know what male orcs look like and they're pretty gruesome lord knows what female orcs look like. __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

01-04-2007, 04:56 PM	#4
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	Incidentally, they could have made Ugluk the main orc, had him kill Boromir just as Lurtz does, leave with the other Uruks, then build him up a bit more in TTT (like his character in the books), and eventually have him slain by the Rohirrim. All in all, that might've been a better solution, and closer to the book, although I do love the shot of Lurtz cocking his bow a foot away from Boromir's face. You would have to lose that shot, obviously. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

01-05-2007, 07:20 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I still think having Aragorn do some flash-fighting takes away some tragedy from Boromir's death. Perhaps they wanted to lessen the impact. Maybe they thought the death-scene too sad. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-05-2007, 10:56 AM	#6
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Eomer, interesting point. I remember in a thread long long ago where you talked about, that at times in the movie it was really hard to get emotional. There was this sad, mournful scene, then suddenly Gimli's cracking jokes, or there's high-pushed action and you just can't get connected and emotionally involved into the movies. Yes I do remember that to this day. So, is that kind of how you felt here too? Here's this sad death of a mighty warrior, who made a mighty stand, yet it's not as effective because as Boromir is sitting their gurgling on his own blood Aragorn is ninja-ing it up with Lurtz. __________________ Fenris Penguin

06-16-2006, 01:58 PM	#1
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	What do you mean Sean Bean needed a "funky" death scene? Boromir's death scene was done greatly, regardless of Sean Bean's "death status" in movies...a heroic death scene for a heroic character!

01-05-2007, 11:51 AM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Exactly, Boro. You're right: I've made the same point before and it's floating about on the forum somewhere. It's one example of where I think the films were designed to be just that bit more accessible for all types of movie-goer; and not just those wanting a fine tragedy. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond