Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXIII: Journey to Hy Brazil - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kath · 07-06-2006, 06:22 PM

Ah this is true. Well take heart then, as you were the subject of some conversation, and some serious pushing for your death during the Day too

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-06-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

Because my dear you have proven your skill. You and morm have both shown that you can win as wolves and as innocents and that you can do it with incredible skill.

Well, there are others who have, I think, proven their skill in past games, Lal included. I always think it rather unfair that players like morm, Eomer and I seem to get singled out for special treatment, when others are just as deserving (even though they might be reluctant to accept their just reward ...

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Looking back on my notes, I see that only one of the baddies (Ang) voted for Nilp that first Day. And his was the vote I least suspected! Gah! Oh well, at least I was right that only one Wolf voted for Eomer. And there was indeed one Wolf (Kath) who no-voted on Day 1.

Gah (again)! Gurth's votes on Days 1 and 2 were such throwaway votes! And his vote for Rune was the most likely Wolf-on-Wolf vote!

This was my suspect list immediately after my Rune death analysis:

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Current view:

Almost certainly a Wolf: Gurthang
Possible Wolves: Anguirel, Kath and Glirdan.
Tend to think innocent: Firefoot, Lalaith
Likely innocents: TGWBS, Durelin
Innocents: Caran, Findesea, Tailesin

Innocent Lover: Taliesin or Durelin?

Why on earth did I let Gurth slip from top spot on my suspect list??!! And why on earth did I get so hung up about Firefoot??!! Triple Gah!

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-06-2006, 06:55 PM

Hey guys sorry to have been absent the last days, but I see Kath has filled you in on our talks. . .

It was actually quite impressive how you got all the rest of my wolf friends so high on your list, SPM . This was also one of the reasons for me to have no desire, checking out what was going on in the game the first days after my death.

btw I still don't see that contradiction wich got me killed and I am pretty sure I would have said the same had I been an ordo. . . I guess my "normal" behaviour is quite lupine. . .

Lhuna, my favourit WW player! I am so sad that you died so fast, I would have loved to see how you reacted when I declared that I was 100% sure that you were (yet again) inocent. . . I had planned when to do it and all, but then you got your self killed the day before!

Firefoot · 07-06-2006, 10:24 PM

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And why on earth did I get so hung up about Firefoot??!!

Dunno, but I was starting to feel downright persecuted.

(I've wanted to say that for a long time now...

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Lalaith · 07-07-2006, 03:00 AM

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we could lynch an innocent the next Day we would win, not realising that the plan had just been revealed to a Lover

Funnily enough, that was actually a point I suggested to Ang that he could make to his furry chums. We really thought we were for the chop that night. Another last-ditch point I suggested, although I don't think it ever came to that, was that the trail to Gurth from our deaths was so obvious that he would be lynched for sure...leaving you, Kath, to fight it out alone with four innocents, one of whom (Tali) was a proven.

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can win as wolves and as innocents and that you can do it with incredible skill. We now know that Lalaith and Ang can do the same thing

Can I just remind you that we didn't actually win....which was my fault. Ang couldn't have played better - it was a delight to watch a master at work close-up, I can tell you - but I'm not feeling particularly pleased with my own performance. For example, I really should have been much cleverer about persuading you all to lynch Gurthang. That migraine came at a very bad time, game-wise, and then I became very busy in RL, but still, no excuses, there was ammo there and I didn't use it well enough. So thank you, Saucie, for your kind words - but the idea I deserve to be as feared as you, seems ludicrous to me. Particularly as I also failed miserably to persuade the village to lynch the last two wolves I was pursuing (Boro in the Penguin game, who I'd dreamt of, and Eomer in DWWW who I'd deduced)

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Did you ever (prior to the final Night) consider how things might be play out if there were two remaining Wolves: one the Lover and one Loveless?

Funnily enough,

Ang and I were extremely worried about this and discussed it at some length. We both also sent anxious PMs to Cailin and Noggie on the subject. Now, we banked on the fact that the Loveless wolf could not actually expose his treacherous colleague to the village without exposing himself in the process. However, the danger was not only that the wolf would obviously agitate for the lynching of the Lover Wolf, but that the Loveless wolf about to be lynched might, in a fit of pique, expose the traitor in his dying breath, as it were. Or, as Gurthang in fact did, refuse to kill anyone except Ang himself, preferring a village win to a traitor victory.

We also tried to keep you alive, Kath, wanting either Rune or Gurthang lynched first, because we realised that once the remaining wolves were all male, then they would know that the innocent Lover was a female and start killing/helping to lynch the remaining girls in the crew.

Incidently, in future Lover games, can I make a small plea on their behalf? It seems rather unfair that while wolves can win if they merely equal the number of innocents, that Lovers only win if they outnumber the others. Can it not be that Lovers win if they are down to the last four? Not that it would have helped us in the endgame we had this time, but still...

Anguirel · 07-07-2006, 03:10 AM

I am strongly in accord with Lalaith's last point! As it was, we were fighting not for victory, but for the merest approach to victory...

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-07-2006, 06:22 AM

Although you could easily have won if Gurthang had made a different choice. While I am obviously happy wth the decision that Gurth made, some Wolves might take the view that it is better for one Wolf to win and survive, even if attached to an innocent Lover.

Lhunardawen · 07-09-2006, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

Dunno, but I was starting to feel downright persecuted.

(I've wanted to say that for a long time now... )

Hehe. Sorry, m'dear. It would have been wonderful if you really were what I claimed you were, though.

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Originally Posted by Rune

Lhuna, my favourit WW player! I am so sad that you died so fast, I would have loved to see how you reacted when I declared that I was 100% sure that you were (yet again) inocent. . . I had planned when to do it and all, but then you got your self killed the day before!

Don't talk to me, you tricksy fur-covered villain!

Remind me never to fall for that if you do it again...if I ever play again, that is.

Durelin · 07-09-2006, 10:18 AM

I have to say I was the most frustrated by your death, Lhuna, closely followed by SPM's. Yours was so silly to me...sillier than lynching the Pan Man even, if only because he is SPaM...

Though the death of my ninja buddy was indeed worthy of seppuku (and let me tell you I did consider doing that in-game...).

07-06-2006, 06:22 PM	#1
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Ah this is true. Well take heart then, as you were the subject of some conversation, and some serious pushing for your death during the Day too __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-07-2006, 03:10 AM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I am strongly in accord with Lalaith's last point! As it was, we were fighting not for victory, but for the merest approach to victory... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

07-07-2006, 06:22 AM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Although you could easily have won if Gurthang had made a different choice. While I am obviously happy wth the decision that Gurth made, some Wolves might take the view that it is better for one Wolf to win and survive, even if attached to an innocent Lover. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-09-2006, 10:18 AM	#9
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I have to say I was the most frustrated by your death, Lhuna, closely followed by SPM's. Yours was so silly to me...sillier than lynching the Pan Man even, if only because he is SPaM... Though the death of my ninja buddy was indeed worthy of seppuku (and let me tell you I did consider doing that in-game...).