Barrow-Downers Map - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Brinniel · 07-12-2006, 11:09 AM

I remember years ago there used to be a map showing where all the BDers were from. Now I'd like to try to do it again using this group map I created. I'm just curious to see how many BDers there are around the world. Be sure to place your mark!

Laiudanama · 07-12-2006, 12:32 PM

There is still the Where is everyone from? thread, which has Amanaduial the Archer's list of people's real life locations. Hookbill the Goomba has also posted his own Barrowdowners map on that thread - although for some reason the places appear to have vanished...

Hope this helps - whichever map could be used, I suppose

JennyHallu · 07-12-2006, 12:55 PM

The Barrow-Wight has a map also...it's been fairly recently posted in the Where is Everyone From? thread La-oo-ee so fortunately linked. I hate searching for those...

Guinevere · 07-12-2006, 01:07 PM

Where is Europe and the rest of the world??

Mithalwen · 07-12-2006, 01:11 PM

Same place they always have been ... Europe is just across the channel from England..... And the rest of the world is in all directions... (again from England

) . When I click I get the world map....more seriously

Lalwendë · 07-12-2006, 02:15 PM

This frappr map thing has seriously improved! I no longer have to 'live' in a pub at the back of the City Hall or in the middle of the road by the Uni! Even if it was, being in Yorkshire, a shoebox in't middle of said road.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-12-2006, 02:19 PM

well I still have to live in the very coservative (after Danish standarts) and expensive Frederiksberg. . .

Glirdan · 07-12-2006, 02:51 PM

I agree Lal, this map is much more advanced than it was but I'm still not in the right location...My Eru, they'll never get it right, will they?

Brinniel · 07-12-2006, 03:14 PM

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Hookbill the Goomba has also posted his own Barrowdowners map on that thread

Ah, I figured someone must have done a map by now. 'Tis strange that I could not find it. And that thread has become so long.... I remember the day when it was only three pages (one of the disadvantages of disappearing for two years).

Oh well, at least the maps are slightly different....

Laiudanama · 07-12-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalwende

This frappr map thing has seriously improved!

Indeed - it actually works without having a hissy fit every time I try to zoom in. Huzzah!

I am, however, in a field. I mean, it's a field in the general proximity of my house, and a field soon to be converted, I believe, into someone's conservatory extension or something of the like....but it is still a field. Sigh...

p.s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celuien

La-oo-ee

Missed that the first time.

Celuien · 07-12-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyHallu

The Barrow-Wight has a map also...it's been fairly recently posted in the Where is Everyone From? thread La-oo-ee so fortunately linked. I hate searching for those...

The Barrow-Wight's map.

Laiudanama · 07-13-2006, 08:09 AM

Deary me, on the Barrow Wight's map, I am completely covered by Amanaduial the Archer until one zooms in to the actual road names. Pff!

Brinniel · 07-13-2006, 12:13 PM

Observing the maps, I noticed mostly everyone is from the UK, US, and Canada. There are very few other Europeans, yet I know there are more on the BD. And what about the Aussies? I find it rather strange that not a single person from Australia has labeled themself on any of the maps....

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-13-2006, 12:23 PM

Not even on the older maps ?

Brinniel · 07-13-2006, 12:30 PM

Nope, I counted seven on the BW's map, five on Hookbill's, and one on mine who don't fall in the UK, US, and Canada category...

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-13-2006, 12:34 PM

That would be me

That makes me special and therfor cool

Lalwendë · 07-13-2006, 03:17 PM

I like the satellite imaging feature, I can see right into my attic window! And what places are like where Downers live!

But this is an old image as my old neighbours' car is still there and they left two and a half years ago. I must've been out because my car's not there.

Brinniel · 07-13-2006, 10:56 PM

Wow, I hadn't checked the satellite version out until now. It's kind of freaky to be looking at your own house.

No one better stalk me. Actually, they can't- I'm moving away in a month.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-14-2006, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

I like the satellite imaging feature ...

Quite amazing, isn't it ... and slightly scary too.

I finally get to see exactly where the flat roof mentioned in the survey on our house is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

But this is an old image ...

Indeed. The image omits two houses on our road that must have been built since it was taken.

My allocated location on the map, however, is the middle of a field some miles from my house. Which I rather like, although really it should be centered on the tall and most magical tree in a somewhat enchanted wood.

Lalaith · 07-14-2006, 04:01 AM

I'm assuming that the satellite used is the one on Google earth? I love that....I can see the trampoline in my garden.

Celuien · 07-14-2006, 05:17 AM

My pin has been very carefully positioned on the BW's map. Not exactly where I live, but close enough.

JennyHallu · 07-14-2006, 06:05 AM

Google Earth is the coolest thing ever. It updates the satellite pictures often enough that I've been able to see the progress of construction in my hometown at about a six month to two year delay.

A lot of England is very low resolution images though. Annoying...I wanted to spy on people...

(At a two year delay, of course)

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-14-2006, 07:46 AM

Is it the same imaging as Google Earth though? I've played with said program for countless hours while procrastinating (admiring the Eiffel Tower and the Pyramids from above, among other things) and my entire county is green fuzz. But I can zoom in on Brin's map to the nice close level of recognizing a pair of local lakes and seeing the very foggy gray line that is a state route a mile away from my house. Still not a lot of definition, but a lot more than green fuzz.

Edit: this is way cool. Looking at the next town over from me (new county, clear imaging), I can figure out almost exactly when these shots were taken.

Between three and two years ago (two 100+ foot trees are missing from my grandparents' farm; they aren't driving the right cars for it to be more recent; a store downtown isn't yet purchased by a man the town loathes: there is still business and no gas pumps).

Early spring; just before planting season (fields are clear, but not plowed or planted; Grandpa's garden is tilled and ready; he hasn't yet started the year's mowing in the private field).

Saturday (no cars at a few downtown businesses, but not nearly enough cars at local churches for it to be any time on Sunday).

Between 12:00PM and 3:00PM (shadows cast on the hill).

It comes down to maybe five Saturdays that it could possibly be. That's just cool.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-14-2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fea

Is it the same imaging as Google Earth though?

Yes. Identical. At least as far as the locations I checked are concerned - same lorry turning at a junction in Raynes Park and same aircraft flying over the Devil's Puchbowl at Hindhead.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-14-2006, 11:38 AM

Now that you know exactly where I live, there's no excuse for not dropping in for a cup of tea if you ever venture up north.

Mithalwen · 07-14-2006, 02:15 PM

Well I think that our neighbour built his new garage three summers ago so this has to be at least two years old but not much more.

Taralphiel · 07-14-2006, 11:50 PM

Now there is a lonely, red flag on the Eastern coast of Australia

I feel rather isolated now! *giggles*

EDIT: Do enjoy my silly dressups picture.

- Tara

Mithalwen · 07-15-2006, 05:35 AM

Since the maps are now so sensitive I think that this is a good moment to remind everyone that this is a public forum not a private one.

Though there is a relatively small and usually friendly

core group of very active members there are a lot of lurkers. Sadly there is no guarantee that just because someone is interested in Tolkien they don't have less wholesome interests - sadly the fact that Tolkien is something that interests both adults and children may make a forum such as this of interest to people with extremely unwholesome interests.

You cannot assume that everything here is "as between friends" so I would recommend NOT placing your flag too close to your real address especially if you are a minor, female living alone, using your real name or have published identifying information (eg on the "Confessional " threads and photographs of yourself. This only echoes guidelines published elsewhere but I know we don't always look at them after we have first joined.

I don't want to be a kill joy but I just want people to think before they put up this kind of information. I know many RL friendships can develop from online starts and have had good personal experience of this but I have also met a few really nasty characters (even on Tolkien sites...) so make friends then once trust is established give them contact details if you wish. Be safe .

Mith

Glirdan · 07-15-2006, 07:56 AM

This is a great point Mith. However, this map is still so stupid that it still dosen't put people in the right location. But you still bring up a great point. BE SAFE!!!

Celuien · 07-15-2006, 08:22 AM

If you register with Frappr, you can move your pin anywhere you'd like. That function works fairly well now.

Mith's advice is very good. My pin has never really shown where I am exactly. I fully intend to puzzle any anonymous stalkers out there by continually moving the marker to new locations as they strike my fancy.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-15-2006, 08:27 AM

I'll echo the sentiment.

Google is a wonderful tool, but could be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands. Be careful.

An example of my worry: my friends and I once, after having watched one too many James Bond films, decided to test our tracking ability. We had a person's home phone number; nothing else, not even his name (he'd called my friend's cell and she didn't recognize the number). Google provided with his name and home address; Google Earth provided us with a satellite image of the street. The man's wife told us, when we called to see why this man had called, that he was in the pool and asked if she could take a message; that one word, pool, lowered the number of potential houses to two.

Not everybody has collegiate curiosity as an explanation for their lurking. Be careful what information you offer.

Lalaith · 07-15-2006, 09:45 AM

I was thinking exactly along those lines myself.
Also, I thought I'd point out to anyone who put their pin on one of the old maps on the forum, the satellite facility also seems available on those now, so people might want to re-check that the information now being offered by these maps is not more than they feel happy about.

narfforc · 07-15-2006, 10:32 AM

I wanted to put my location pin in Atlantis but could'nt find it, so I will have to look for Lemuria instead.............

Balin999 · 07-15-2006, 12:01 PM

Just a question, do I have to register there or can I put my name on there without registration?

Celuien · 07-15-2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balin999

Just a question, do I have to register there or can I put my name on there without registration?

You can put yourself on the map without registering, but if you want to be able to move your pin later, you have to register.

Mithalwen · 07-17-2006, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glirdan

However, this map is still so stupid that it still dosen't put people in the right location.

Well I was just about to stick my flag on my car when I decided it wasn't such a great idea.... and so I chose a local landmark instead as a neutral place that was nevertheless significant to me

Hookbill the Goomba · 07-17-2006, 08:45 AM

Are we ever going to decide on one map to use and to stick to it?

Oh, and when I saw 'Barrow Downers map' I assumed it would be something like this:

the phantom · 07-17-2006, 11:44 AM

Nice map. The sat image is a couple years old or so, though.

My marker is on my house.

Stalkers, schmalkers... I doubt I'll be bothered by any.

If I am, that'll give me a chance to try out some of my new torturing equipment I ordered for my secret underground lair.

Formendacil · 07-17-2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Nice map. The sat image is a couple years old or so, though.

My marker is on my house.

Stalkers, schmalkers... I doubt I'll be bothered by any.

If I am, that'll give me a chance to try out some of my new torturing equipment I ordered for my secret underground lair.

You also aren't a single, young female.

Or so we have been given every reason to assume.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-17-2006, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Formendacil

You also aren't a single, young female.

Or so we have been given every reason to assume.

That could absolutely ruin my day. Phantom, love of my life, please say it ain't so!

07-12-2006, 11:09 AM	#1
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Barrow-Downers Map I remember years ago there used to be a map showing where all the BDers were from. Now I'd like to try to do it again using this group map I created. I'm just curious to see how many BDers there are around the world. Be sure to place your mark! __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

07-12-2006, 12:32 PM	#2
Laiudanama Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Follow the voices Posts: 43	There is still the Where is everyone from? thread, which has Amanaduial the Archer's list of people's real life locations. Hookbill the Goomba has also posted his own Barrowdowners map on that thread - although for some reason the places appear to have vanished... Hope this helps - whichever map could be used, I suppose __________________ "Tell them I came, and no one answered, that I kept my word," he said. Never the least stir made the listeners, though every word he spake Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house from the one man left awake

07-12-2006, 12:55 PM	#3
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	The Barrow-Wight has a map also...it's been fairly recently posted in the Where is Everyone From? thread La-oo-ee so fortunately linked. I hate searching for those... __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-12-2006, 01:07 PM	#4
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Where is Europe and the rest of the world?? __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

07-12-2006, 01:11 PM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Same place they always have been ... Europe is just across the channel from England..... And the rest of the world is in all directions... (again from England ) . When I click I get the world map....more seriously __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-12-2006, 02:15 PM	#6
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	This frappr map thing has seriously improved! I no longer have to 'live' in a pub at the back of the City Hall or in the middle of the road by the Uni! Even if it was, being in Yorkshire, a shoebox in't middle of said road. __________________ Gordon's alive!

07-12-2006, 02:51 PM	#8
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	I agree Lal, this map is much more advanced than it was but I'm still not in the right location...My Eru, they'll never get it right, will they? __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

07-13-2006, 08:09 AM	#12
Laiudanama Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Follow the voices Posts: 43	Deary me, on the Barrow Wight's map, I am completely covered by Amanaduial the Archer until one zooms in to the actual road names. Pff! __________________ "Tell them I came, and no one answered, that I kept my word," he said. Never the least stir made the listeners, though every word he spake Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house from the one man left awake

07-13-2006, 12:13 PM	#13
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Observing the maps, I noticed mostly everyone is from the UK, US, and Canada. There are very few other Europeans, yet I know there are more on the BD. And what about the Aussies? I find it rather strange that not a single person from Australia has labeled themself on any of the maps.... __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

07-13-2006, 12:30 PM	#15
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Nope, I counted seven on the BW's map, five on Hookbill's, and one on mine who don't fall in the UK, US, and Canada category... __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

07-13-2006, 03:17 PM	#17
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	I like the satellite imaging feature, I can see right into my attic window! And what places are like where Downers live! But this is an old image as my old neighbours' car is still there and they left two and a half years ago. I must've been out because my car's not there. __________________ Gordon's alive!

07-13-2006, 10:56 PM	#18
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Wow, I hadn't checked the satellite version out until now. It's kind of freaky to be looking at your own house. No one better stalk me. Actually, they can't- I'm moving away in a month. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

07-14-2006, 04:01 AM	#20
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I'm assuming that the satellite used is the one on Google earth? I love that....I can see the trampoline in my garden. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-14-2006, 05:17 AM	#21
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	My pin has been very carefully positioned on the BW's map. Not exactly where I live, but close enough. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

07-14-2006, 06:05 AM	#22
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Canon plug: Tolkien would've thought this was cool. Google Earth is the coolest thing ever. It updates the satellite pictures often enough that I've been able to see the progress of construction in my hometown at about a six month to two year delay. A lot of England is very low resolution images though. Annoying...I wanted to spy on people... (At a two year delay, of course) __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

07-14-2006, 07:46 AM	#23
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Is it the same imaging as Google Earth though? I've played with said program for countless hours while procrastinating (admiring the Eiffel Tower and the Pyramids from above, among other things) and my entire county is green fuzz. But I can zoom in on Brin's map to the nice close level of recognizing a pair of local lakes and seeing the very foggy gray line that is a state route a mile away from my house. Still not a lot of definition, but a lot more than green fuzz. Edit: this is way cool. Looking at the next town over from me (new county, clear imaging), I can figure out almost exactly when these shots were taken. Between three and two years ago (two 100+ foot trees are missing from my grandparents' farm; they aren't driving the right cars for it to be more recent; a store downtown isn't yet purchased by a man the town loathes: there is still business and no gas pumps). Early spring; just before planting season (fields are clear, but not plowed or planted; Grandpa's garden is tilled and ready; he hasn't yet started the year's mowing in the private field). Saturday (no cars at a few downtown businesses, but not nearly enough cars at local churches for it to be any time on Sunday). Between 12:00PM and 3:00PM (shadows cast on the hill). It comes down to maybe five Saturdays that it could possibly be. That's just cool. __________________ peace Last edited by Feanor of the Peredhil; 07-14-2006 at 08:31 AM.

07-14-2006, 11:38 AM	#25
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Now that you know exactly where I live, there's no excuse for not dropping in for a cup of tea if you ever venture up north. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-14-2006, 02:15 PM	#26
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Well I think that our neighbour built his new garage three summers ago so this has to be at least two years old but not much more. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-14-2006, 11:50 PM	#27
Taralphiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Swan Wood Posts: 649	Now there is a lonely, red flag on the Eastern coast of Australia I feel rather isolated now! giggles EDIT: Do enjoy my silly dressups picture. - Tara

07-15-2006, 05:35 AM	#28
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Reminder Re Personal Safety Since the maps are now so sensitive I think that this is a good moment to remind everyone that this is a public forum not a private one. Though there is a relatively small and usually friendly core group of very active members there are a lot of lurkers. Sadly there is no guarantee that just because someone is interested in Tolkien they don't have less wholesome interests - sadly the fact that Tolkien is something that interests both adults and children may make a forum such as this of interest to people with extremely unwholesome interests. You cannot assume that everything here is "as between friends" so I would recommend NOT placing your flag too close to your real address especially if you are a minor, female living alone, using your real name or have published identifying information (eg on the "Confessional " threads and photographs of yourself. This only echoes guidelines published elsewhere but I know we don't always look at them after we have first joined. I don't want to be a kill joy but I just want people to think before they put up this kind of information. I know many RL friendships can develop from online starts and have had good personal experience of this but I have also met a few really nasty characters (even on Tolkien sites...) so make friends then once trust is established give them contact details if you wish. Be safe . Mith __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 07-15-2006 at 05:42 AM.

07-15-2006, 07:56 AM	#29
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	This is a great point Mith. However, this map is still so stupid that it still dosen't put people in the right location. But you still bring up a great point. BE SAFE!!! __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

07-15-2006, 08:22 AM	#30
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	If you register with Frappr, you can move your pin anywhere you'd like. That function works fairly well now. Mith's advice is very good. My pin has never really shown where I am exactly. I fully intend to puzzle any anonymous stalkers out there by continually moving the marker to new locations as they strike my fancy. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

07-15-2006, 08:27 AM	#31
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I'll echo the sentiment. Google is a wonderful tool, but could be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands. Be careful. An example of my worry: my friends and I once, after having watched one too many James Bond films, decided to test our tracking ability. We had a person's home phone number; nothing else, not even his name (he'd called my friend's cell and she didn't recognize the number). Google provided with his name and home address; Google Earth provided us with a satellite image of the street. The man's wife told us, when we called to see why this man had called, that he was in the pool and asked if she could take a message; that one word, pool, lowered the number of potential houses to *two. Not everybody has collegiate curiosity as an explanation for their lurking. Be careful what information you offer. __________________ peace*

07-15-2006, 09:45 AM	#32
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I was thinking exactly along those lines myself. Also, I thought I'd point out to anyone who put their pin on one of the old maps on the forum, the satellite facility also seems available on those now, so people might want to re-check that the information now being offered by these maps is not more than they feel happy about. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-15-2006, 10:32 AM	#33
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	I wanted to put my location pin in Atlantis but could'nt find it, so I will have to look for Lemuria instead............. __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER.

07-15-2006, 12:01 PM	#34
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	Just a question, do I have to register there or can I put my name on there without registration? __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

07-17-2006, 08:45 AM	#37
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	Again? Are we ever going to decide on one map to use and to stick to it? Oh, and when I saw 'Barrow Downers map' I assumed it would be something like this: __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

07-17-2006, 11:44 AM	#38
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Nice map. The sat image is a couple years old or so, though. My marker is on my house. Stalkers, schmalkers... I doubt I'll be bothered by any. If I am, that'll give me a chance to try out some of my new torturing equipment I ordered for my secret underground lair. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.