Survivor : All Star - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Macalaure · 08-08-2006, 02:05 PM

++ Celebrían

Once an orc says boo she goes for the Havens. Imagine she lived in the first age...

Kuruharan · 08-08-2006, 02:29 PM

What, exactly, does the Witch-king do?

His beastie spooked Snowmane causing Theoden's death. He chickened out facing Gandalf. He got snuck up on by a hobbit. He was killed by an opponent he should have crushed. He made a complete fool of himself at the battle of Fornost (in every conceivable way).

I mean, let's face it, the guy was a weenie who was operating on reputation alone. Tolkien himself even said...

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They have no great physical power against the fearless

(Ha! Managed to work in a quote from The Man himself...beat that!

)

mormegil · 08-08-2006, 02:32 PM

--Maglor (for now)

++Witch-King

I've made cases elsewhere about the Witch-king but the simple fact is that he's a pawn...as it Maglor.

Glirdan · 08-08-2006, 03:28 PM

I think this time I will agree with Tuor and vote for

++Durin

He may be deathless, but that doesn't stop him from smelling majorly.

Thinlómien · 08-08-2006, 03:55 PM

++Witch-King

(See previous "day" for reasons....)

And yay! I started a bandwagon!

*gloats*

wilwarin538 · 08-08-2006, 04:02 PM

Votes so far ( because I'm bored):

Durin - 2
Witch-King - 3
Celebrian - 1

Anything could happen.

Boromir88 · 08-08-2006, 04:09 PM

I guess no one can see the conniving little worm that Celebrimbor is. Now Grima is not in this competition, but at least as a pathetic worm he finally got some back bone and killed Saruman...what about Celebrimbor? This guy is useless. The only reason I didn't stay with him yesterday was because Ori, quite frankly is such a lag on the ratings, Celebrimbor is about just as bad.

Let's look at Celebrimbor's so called 'accomplishments.' So, he makes these 3 elven rings, supposedly he was tricked and deceived by Sauron to make them...what a hunk of baloney. If being Feanor's son isn't enough for you, when have you ever known the stubborn sons of Feanor give up anything they made that was of value? Which means the 3 elven rings Celebrimbor made were junk, or he would never have given them up. Also, it's quite clear he was in league with Sauron...tricked...ya right. Sauron goes to Celebrimbor says, make me some rings, I'll taked the fall for wanting complete and total domination over the Elven Race, and you can be stuck with the glory and honor of making this blingy jewelry. But, in reality the rings were junk, or Celebrimbor wouldn't have given them up, nor would Sauron have been able to easily dominate and make them absolutely useless when he had the Ring, and after the Ring was destroyed. So, put it simply the styling rings were no more than a cracker jack toy out of a box.

Then he moves on to design this door for Moria, and what kind of password is that? I mean if a brainless hobbit can figure out the password, then obviously he's a fraud. No wonder why Moria became infestered with Orcs and a Balrog, because this 'grand secret door' was more baloney by Celebrimbor.

So, while Celebrimbor goes around reeking the glory and fame of creating these super awesome items and achievements...look at what he actually accomplishes...nothing. The Rings were junk, his door was crap, and he goes on with everyone believing he's some great craftsman.

++Celebrimbor

mormegil · 08-08-2006, 04:58 PM

Psst...Boro

He's Feanor's grandson. But I'm all for eliminating any posterity of the scum they call Feanor.

The Elf-warrior · 08-09-2006, 02:31 PM

++ Sauron

Because he is the evilest among the contestants. I have serious doubts about the authenticity of that quote mormegil.

The 1,000 Reader · 08-09-2006, 04:02 PM

++Tar-Mirel.

Seriously, what did she even do? Even Tolkien himself said that he thought her so unimportant that he barely gave her a name. All she did was get her crown stolen and died. All her crown being stolen did was try to show how sick Ar-Pharazon really was. She's a filler character, like a red-shirted ensign on Star Trek.

So, begone with the most useless character Tolkien ever wrote about.

(P.S. I predict that all the bad guys will be voted off, then any important good guys, and finally we'll have only minor characters, possibly one stronger but still minor character, and an Aniur.)

The Elf-warrior · 08-08-2006, 05:31 PM

++Sauron

I think we can agree he is the worst of the worst among the contestants. He corrupted a whole nation. Things got so bad that Eru himself intervened and destroyed Numenor. It was he who ordered the werewolf murders of all of Beren's companions. He made the Uruks. The whole land of Mordor is a testimony of his great evil. On this second day we should cut off evil by its head instead of voting off a mere puppet, a venerable Dwarf Patriarch, a great craftsmen, and a victim of the Orcs. Who knows what kind of unspeakable torture she endured?

Nogrod · 08-08-2006, 07:22 PM

I would like to re-instate my case for Tom Bombadil.

The witch-King isn't so great as he could be, but still he's one of the master baddies. Without an enemy there would be no heroes either.

But what does Tom do in the story? (or Goldberry for that matter? - it's only my inner feminist that calls for killing Tom before Goldberry)

Singing melodramatic schlager-tunes and being so out of all that is happening. He does not add to anything that is in the story or involve himself in anything. He's just a "big-old-guy" who somehow can resist the ring but still is without a decent role in the story. Saving the Hobbits from the Barrow-Downs can not be counted here as a major involvement.

Tom is just downright repulsive "nice-guy" with no real function in the story.

Down with him!

++ Tom Bombadil

Diamond18 · 08-08-2006, 10:07 PM

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And 'cause I'm sitting back and watching Diamond be provocative.

Well I don't think this is quite the right crowd to find an Alf vote provocative.

Hmmm... eenie meenie miney mo... who shall I vote for today?

+ + Ar-Pharazon

Pig. Creep. Jerk. Power mad Sauron toadie.

Bêthberry · 08-09-2006, 05:57 AM

I continue my campaign against those who attempted to rule earth rather than let the rightful children duke it out themselves.

++ Manwe

Come on, with a name like that, he's the most magnificent? More like Morewennie, but skip the mustard 'cause this ain't no hot dog.

Mirkgirl · 08-09-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I continue my campaign against those who attempted to rule earth rather than let the rightful children duke it out themselves.

My plan was to stick to WK, but after this...
And I wouldn't give him my cat's litterbox let alone a Silmaril if he treated me like he treated Feanor.

++ Manwe

mormegil · 08-09-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirkgirl

And I wouldn't give him my cat's litterbox let alone a Silmaril if he treated me like he treated Feanor.

That's one of Manwe's greatest attributes! He, unlike all others, didn't grovel before the pompous Feanor.

The Only Real Estel · 08-25-2006, 01:39 PM

Ah the Secret-Undercover*-Something-or-Other-Alliance-of-Doom-or-Destruction.

Something tells me if I want to 'win' I should be joining (or requesting to join) them...

*unless I missed some sort of declaration...which I probably did. :/

mormegil · 08-25-2006, 01:41 PM

TORE I have never been loyal solely to one alliance. I am a rogue survivor who sees benefits and I take them. It so happens that the three of us see eye to eye quite often. However this current voting block is rather large against anything I do so I need those who don't hold prejudice against me.

The Only Real Estel · 08-25-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

TORE I have never been loyal solely to one alliance. I am a rouge survivor who sees benefits and I take them.

I like it.

Gil-Galad · 08-25-2006, 01:41 PM

++Tar-Miriel

i've been in a dwarf-favourable mood... maybe...

Nogrod · 08-25-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

Hmm...SpM....morm...Kuru...
Ah the Secret-Undercover*-Something-or-Other-Alliance-of-Doom-or-Destruction.

Something tells me if I want to 'win' I should be joining (or requesting to join) them...

Your something is telling you the lies the alliance wishes you to hear. Stand brave! They are influential elders like the house of Fëanor was!

Let us keep the torch of the free peoples (and others) of the Middle-Earth alight! We may have differences in taste and opinion, but let us not give these over-selfconfident forces a possibility to dominate the scene as they would like to!

They are the Wormtongues whispering to our royal ears of democracy and free will! Let us not sleep!

They are the Shelobs knitting their webs in the dark behind our back! Let's stay alert!

They are the Saurons and Melkors thriving for glory and power, the ones who are ready to use anyone as their puppets and turn them down as they have been used! Do not be tricked by their sometimes honeyed words!

These Sarumans will lure you into anything if you give them your ear! Beware of their rhetorics!

United we are strong enough to fend off the onslaught of the evil conspiracies! Let's unravel their fancies and in the end of the game leave it to the honest majority to decide.

mormegil · 08-25-2006, 05:30 PM

Nogrod proposes to defend a so called alliance, but no alliance is formed so far as I know, however he wants it done by forming an alliance

. Again I am a rogue and have this freedom you speak of. You are the wormtongue if I have ever seen one. These noble individuals see the justice of their cause much as Gondor and Rohan would yet you give false wisperings and want to form an alliance because and alliance is evil.

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Beware of their rhetorics!

Of course your rhetoric applies too does it not?

Seriously though what has Tar-Miriel ever done or accomplished? Gloin at least is a dwarf of honor and high character. Gloin would dare to stand against evil however Tar-Miriel allowed Ar-Pharazon to take up the sceptre and rule in evil. See the difference. Gloin defends against evil and Tar-Miriel embraces evil. She would have us believe that she was forced into this situation, those who are learned in the lore know differently, she was a malignant influence and secretly sought out evil in all its forms.

08-08-2006, 02:05 PM	#1
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	What's so bad about the Witch-King? ++ Celebrían Once an orc says boo she goes for the Havens. Imagine she lived in the first age...

08-08-2006, 02:32 PM	#3
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	--Maglor (for now) ++Witch-King I've made cases elsewhere about the Witch-king but the simple fact is that he's a pawn...as it Maglor. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

08-08-2006, 03:28 PM	#4
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	I think this time I will agree with Tuor and vote for ++Durin He may be deathless, but that doesn't stop him from smelling majorly. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

08-08-2006, 03:55 PM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Witch-King (See previous "day" for reasons....) And yay! I started a bandwagon! gloats __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

08-08-2006, 04:02 PM	#6
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Votes so far ( because I'm bored): Durin - 2 Witch-King - 3 Celebrian - 1 Anything could happen. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

08-08-2006, 04:09 PM	#7
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I guess no one can see the conniving little worm that Celebrimbor is. Now Grima is not in this competition, but at least as a pathetic worm he finally got some back bone and killed Saruman...what about Celebrimbor? This guy is useless. The only reason I didn't stay with him yesterday was because Ori, quite frankly is such a lag on the ratings, Celebrimbor is about just as bad. Let's look at Celebrimbor's so called 'accomplishments.' So, he makes these 3 elven rings, supposedly he was tricked and deceived by Sauron to make them...what a hunk of baloney. If being Feanor's son isn't enough for you, when have you ever known the stubborn sons of Feanor give up anything they made that was of value? Which means the 3 elven rings Celebrimbor made were junk, or he would never have given them up. Also, it's quite clear he was in league with Sauron...tricked...ya right. Sauron goes to Celebrimbor says, make me some rings, I'll taked the fall for wanting complete and total domination over the Elven Race, and you can be stuck with the glory and honor of making this blingy jewelry. But, in reality the rings were junk, or Celebrimbor wouldn't have given them up, nor would Sauron have been able to easily dominate and make them absolutely useless when he had the Ring, and after the Ring was destroyed. So, put it simply the styling rings were no more than a cracker jack toy out of a box. Then he moves on to design this door for Moria, and what kind of password is that? I mean if a brainless hobbit can figure out the password, then obviously he's a fraud. No wonder why Moria became infestered with Orcs and a Balrog, because this 'grand secret door' was more baloney by Celebrimbor. So, while Celebrimbor goes around reeking the glory and fame of creating these super awesome items and achievements...look at what he actually accomplishes...nothing. The Rings were junk, his door was crap, and he goes on with everyone believing he's some great craftsman. ++Celebrimbor __________________ Fenris Penguin

08-08-2006, 04:58 PM	#8
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Psst...Boro He's Feanor's grandson. But I'm all for eliminating any posterity of the scum they call Feanor. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

08-09-2006, 02:31 PM	#9
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	++ Sauron Because he is the evilest among the contestants. I have serious doubts about the authenticity of that quote mormegil. __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

08-09-2006, 04:02 PM	#10
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	++Tar-Mirel. Seriously, what did she even do? Even Tolkien himself said that he thought her so unimportant that he barely gave her a name. All she did was get her crown stolen and died. All her crown being stolen did was try to show how sick Ar-Pharazon really was. She's a filler character, like a red-shirted ensign on Star Trek. So, begone with the most useless character Tolkien ever wrote about. (P.S. I predict that all the bad guys will be voted off, then any important good guys, and finally we'll have only minor characters, possibly one stronger but still minor character, and an Aniur.) __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains Last edited by The 1,000 Reader; 08-09-2006 at 04:06 PM.

08-08-2006, 05:31 PM	#11
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	++Sauron I think we can agree he is the worst of the worst among the contestants. He corrupted a whole nation. Things got so bad that Eru himself intervened and destroyed Numenor. It was he who ordered the werewolf murders of all of Beren's companions. He made the Uruks. The whole land of Mordor is a testimony of his great evil. On this second day we should cut off evil by its head instead of voting off a mere puppet, a venerable Dwarf Patriarch, a great craftsmen, and a victim of the Orcs. Who knows what kind of unspeakable torture she endured? __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

08-08-2006, 07:22 PM	#12
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I would like to re-instate my case for Tom Bombadil. The witch-King isn't so great as he could be, but still he's one of the master baddies. Without an enemy there would be no heroes either. But what does Tom do in the story? (or Goldberry for that matter? - it's only my inner feminist that calls for killing Tom before Goldberry) Singing melodramatic schlager-tunes and being so out of all that is happening. He does not add to anything that is in the story or involve himself in anything. He's just a "big-old-guy" who somehow can resist the ring but still is without a decent role in the story. Saving the Hobbits from the Barrow-Downs can not be counted here as a major involvement. Tom is just downright repulsive "nice-guy" with no real function in the story. Down with him! ++ Tom Bombadil __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

08-09-2006, 05:57 AM	#14
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	I continue my campaign against those who attempted to rule earth rather than let the rightful children duke it out themselves. ++ Manwe Come on, with a name like that, he's the most magnificent? More like Morewennie, but skip the mustard 'cause this ain't no hot dog. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away. Last edited by Bêthberry; 08-09-2006 at 06:10 AM.

08-25-2006, 01:39 PM	#17
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Hmm...SpM....morm...Kuru... Ah the *Secret-Undercover-Something-or-Other-Alliance-of-Doom-or-Destruction*. Something tells me if I want to 'win' I should be joining (or requesting to join) them... unless I missed some sort of declaration...which I probably did. :/

08-25-2006, 01:41 PM	#18
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	TORE I have never been loyal solely to one alliance. I am a rogue survivor who sees benefits and I take them. It so happens that the three of us see eye to eye quite often. However this current voting block is rather large against anything I do so I need those who don't hold prejudice against me. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” Last edited by mormegil; 08-25-2006 at 02:09 PM.

08-25-2006, 01:41 PM	#20
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	++Tar-Miriel i've been in a dwarf-favourable mood... maybe... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.