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Firefoot · 08-16-2006, 09:15 AM

Diamond:

And I did read Roverandom - the only one my library has... and I don't ever remember seeing SoWM, anyway, in my bookstore. I saw the Adventures of Tom Bombadil once, but I don't even like him in LotR...

wilwarin538 · 08-16-2006, 12:07 PM

So today the Day actually ends on time!

The votes:

Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie - 9
Sauron - 4

Alf the Prentice will be the minor character voted off the island today.

Alf, the second minor character, and royalty, voted off in a row, stood and walked away from the tribe. He was led to a small canoe on the shore of the ocean and put into it, by himself. he was pushed of and slowly he drifted off to sea.

Thus ends Day 9!!!

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Perry-the-Winkle

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You may now start voting.

Volo · 08-16-2006, 01:12 PM

Why vote Merry off? He is more of a hero than Bullroarer and him some of you protected because he's a hero...

I just don't like to change my opinion...

Or maybe I am a soulless minion of Lommy, who knows...

++The Bullroarer

mormegil · 08-16-2006, 01:27 PM

What did Merry do that made him a hero? He didn't kill the W-k we all know it was Eowyn and but for the charity of a lady he would be relegated to telling Hobbit stories to the Rohan women, it is my personal belief that Merry breathed a sigh of relief when King Theoden wouldn't let him come on the journey but to his utter dismay Eowyn roped him in and essentially had to tie him down so as to make him come. Of course since Merry had access to the history books he rewrote history to make himself look better.

Bullroarer, however, stopped and Orc invasion whereas didn't even kill a single orc in all of Pellenor fields let alone stop the entire invasion.

Plus, and most importantly, Merry is named after an emotion! What kind of man is named after and emotion? Seriously though!

++Merry

Firefoot · 08-16-2006, 02:02 PM

*coughScouringoftheShirecough*

++Arwen

In the movies she's obnoxious and in the books she's practically nonexistant. Hers and Aragorn's story in the appendices is touching, sure, but what else does she really contribute?

mormegil · 08-16-2006, 02:26 PM

What did Merry do in the Scouring of the Shire? He blew his horn and devised the master stratagem of surrounding his foes with superior numbers. Had his foes had any level of intelligence he wouldn't have done anything and would have been massacered. The Hobbits for crying out loud, guerilla tactics would be much more suited for them then open combat yet Merry was too dim witted to even see this.

He would never be my captain.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-16-2006, 05:56 PM

A promise is a promise.

+ + MERRY

Mirkgirl · 08-17-2006, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mormegil

What did Merry do in the Scouring of the Shire? He blew his horn and devised the master stratagem of surrounding his foes with superior numbers. Had his foes had any level of intelligence he wouldn't have done anything and would have been massacered. The Hobbits for crying out loud, guerilla tactics would be much more suited for them then open combat yet Merry was too dim witted to even see this.

He would never be my captain.

The problem is he DIDNT have enemies of any intelligence and his strategy was a strategy against people of no intelligence. Why waste time with guerilla (which takes time and half the hobbits will loose heart just after the first meal). Strategy is only worth if its adequate to the situation.

Whom to vote out... hmmm... lets see exam in half an hour Ill be back after and vote according to my mood

Thinlómien · 08-17-2006, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mormegil

What did Merry do that made him a hero?
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Bullroarer, however, stopped and Orc invasion whereas didn't even kill a single orc in all of Pellenor fields let alone stop the entire invasion.

How many orcs did Bullroarer kill himself? Not the entire orc army, I bet. So it wasn't only him who won the battle and stopped the invasion. It was the hobbit army, not him, though he was the leader and had a part in the victory. So you can't except Merry either to stop an invasion alone. He was not a leader in the Pelennor fields you speak of. If a single person gets glory from a it's almost always the leader. That was Bullroarer's case. So you condemn Merry because he was not in a leading position? Or the fact that Bullroarer is a leader makes him "better" in your opinion? Morm, you're a scary aristocrat...

Besides, helping to kill the Witch-King is far more important than finishing a few orcs, even of one of them was a big boss.

++Bullroarer

It would be a pity to waste valiant support. Thanks, Volo.

mormegil · 08-17-2006, 05:24 AM

Quote:

He was not a leader in the Pelennor fields you speak of.

No he wasn't and he didn't do anything, like I said he has rewritten the history books and this 'noble' poking in the knee of the W-k wasn't what it seemed either the sad truth is he was trying to escape and got confused when he tripped and poked the W-k in the knee.

As for leadership ability, Merry couldn't lead a pack of dung beatles to a pile of oliphant dung!

Bêthberry · 08-17-2006, 05:48 AM

I don't doubt that that knife to the Witch-King thing was historical revisionism of the worst sort.

It smells, I tell you, it smells. It is so typically patronising towards women, the kind of little knife which worries away real, true heroine-ism. Ya give a woman a major role to play, a major act set up by prophecy and then ya weakens it by having a minion do the final cut. Really! Talk about misogyny and puffing up one's own self-importance! You pretend to say a woman can do the job and then in the final moments you undercut it all--no wonder the story later shows Eowyn succumbing so quickly to domesticity and traditional authority. I'm surprised that the story doesn't have Merry whistling for the eagles and riding them off to Mount Doom to save Sam and Frodo himself.

No, don't give me this hobbits are so loveable and great. They're parochial Little Englanders who want to keep their females home, hyped full of herblore and housework with lots of little kettles singing on the fire.

++ Merry

08-16-2006, 12:07 PM	#2
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	So today the Day actually ends on time! The votes: Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie - 9 Sauron - 4 Alf the Prentice will be the minor character voted off the island today. Alf, the second minor character, and royalty, voted off in a row, stood and walked away from the tribe. He was led to a small canoe on the shore of the ocean and put into it, by himself. he was pushed of and slowly he drifted off to sea. Thus ends Day 9!!! The remaining contestants: From the Lord of the Rings Survivor Merry Gimli Hama Gandalf Arwen From the Silmarillion Survivor Sauron Elbereth Osse Ingwe From the Hobbit Survivor Smaug The Bullroarer Gloin Durin Bofur From the Second Age Survivor Tar-Miriel Celebrian Thorondor Tar-Aldarion From the Minor Works Survivor Chrysophylax Dives Goldberry Perry-the-Winkle *************************************** You may now start voting. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

08-16-2006, 01:12 PM	#3
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	Why vote Merry off? He is more of a hero than Bullroarer and him some of you protected because he's a hero... I just don't like to change my opinion... Or maybe I am a soulless minion of Lommy, who knows... ++The Bullroarer __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

08-16-2006, 01:27 PM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	What did Merry do that made him a hero? He didn't kill the W-k we all know it was Eowyn and but for the charity of a lady he would be relegated to telling Hobbit stories to the Rohan women, it is my personal belief that Merry breathed a sigh of relief when King Theoden wouldn't let him come on the journey but to his utter dismay Eowyn roped him in and essentially had to tie him down so as to make him come. Of course since Merry had access to the history books he rewrote history to make himself look better. Bullroarer, however, stopped and Orc invasion whereas didn't even kill a single orc in all of Pellenor fields let alone stop the entire invasion. Plus, and most importantly, Merry is named after an emotion! What kind of man is named after and emotion? Seriously though! ++Merry __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

08-16-2006, 02:26 PM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	What did Merry do in the Scouring of the Shire? He blew his horn and devised the master stratagem of surrounding his foes with superior numbers. Had his foes had any level of intelligence he wouldn't have done anything and would have been massacered. The Hobbits for crying out loud, guerilla tactics would be much more suited for them then open combat yet Merry was too dim witted to even see this. He would never be my captain. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

08-16-2006, 05:56 PM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	A promise is a promise. + + MERRY __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-16-2006, 09:15 AM	#1
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Diamond: And I did read Roverandom - the only one my library has... and I don't ever remember seeing SoWM, anyway, in my bookstore. I saw the Adventures of Tom Bombadil once, but I don't even like him in LotR...

08-16-2006, 02:02 PM	#5
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	coughScouringoftheShirecough ++Arwen In the movies she's obnoxious and in the books she's practically nonexistant. Hers and Aragorn's story in the appendices is touching, sure, but what else does she really contribute?

08-17-2006, 05:48 AM	#11
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	I don't doubt that that knife to the Witch-King thing was historical revisionism of the worst sort. It smells, I tell you, it smells. It is so typically patronising towards women, the kind of little knife which worries away real, true heroine-ism. Ya give a woman a major role to play, a major act set up by prophecy and then ya weakens it by having a minion do the final cut. Really! Talk about misogyny and puffing up one's own self-importance! You pretend to say a woman can do the job and then in the final moments you undercut it all--no wonder the story later shows Eowyn succumbing so quickly to domesticity and traditional authority. I'm surprised that the story doesn't have Merry whistling for the eagles and riding them off to Mount Doom to save Sam and Frodo himself. No, don't give me this hobbits are so loveable and great. They're parochial Little Englanders who want to keep their females home, hyped full of herblore and housework with lots of little kettles singing on the fire. ++ Merry __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.