WWJ XI: When World's Collide

[Kath]

Having gone over most of the things said the past few Days Kath spoke to the still empty room. She had, however, noticed an incredible ability among the villagers to hear things while miles away, so had no qualms about putting her ideas down now.

“Alright, here is the Boro analysis I said I'd do. If I repeat myself anywhere from previous speeches I apologise but then I was looking at him as a wolf not the Seer, so I have to re-evaluate, and that means I have to go back over everything.

Boromir:
Day 1:
Post 121: Immediately suspected Menel so it is possible he’d already dreamt of him.
Post 133: Again goes against Menel quite strongly and then looks at Mac as well, though less seriously.
Post 141: Shows support for Nogrod (if he is the man from Harad). Still finding Menel most suspicious (the continued attack on him does seem to suggest Boro had dreamt of him, it’s hard to be that sure that fast). Thinks either Lommy or Naria is suspicious, the guilt of one depending on the innocence of the other.
Post 149: Finds Di suspicious for her vote and says he will want an explanation, possibly an indication of his next dream.
Post 159: Reiterates his suspicion of Menel.
Post 163: Votes Menel based on his suspicions all Day.
Post 169: Pops back up but has nothing to say.

Day 2:
Post 174: Just makes his presence known.
Post 180: Not suspicious of Mac, Nogrod, Lommy, Valier and Naria. Obviously he couldn’t have dreamt of all of those but it is possible that a dream is somewhere in there. If it’s Valier it’s of little help though. Suspected Valesse, Di, Volo, Gil, Sleepy or Kath and of course may have dreamt of Valesse, which again wouldn’t be much help now.
Post 185: The confusion over my summary, but within that seems to clear Lommy, Mac and Nogrod. Begins to suspect Naria.
Post 194: Small argument with Lommy but doesn’t offer up any suspicion of her.
Post 200: Went on to clear Gil and add Naria to his worried list. Said he’d vote Kath, Di or Valesse. He has good reasoning for me and Valesse but little behind Di, which makes me suspect she was his next dream.
Post 206: Agrees with Nogrod about keeping Kath and Lommy around. Finds Di most suspicious but thinks Valesse most likely to be a wolf.
Post 210: Votes Di because she had already been voted for while Valesse hasn’t. This makes me wonder if maybe he hadn’t dreamt of Valesse, or surely he’d have gone after her more strongly.

Day 3:
Post 218: Passes judgement on Valesse pretty strongly, I’m pretty certain he’d dreamt of her by this point. Clears Volo, but he hadn’t mentioned much suspicion of him the Day before so it seems an unlikely dream.
Post 219: Defends himself against Naria, who had jumped on him pretty harshly, just as she did with me. It seems overly bold and attention getting playing for a wolf, but it could be nerves showing through, she could be worth looking at.
Post 225: Little more arguing with Naria, absolutely clears Nogrod, so he is a possible dream too.
Post 235: Begins his attack on Valesse, got to be a dream with that level of surety.
Post 246: Defends himself against me this time and then continues his attack on Valesse, finally voting for her.
Day 4:
Post 261: Obviously didn’t dream of the wolf as he doesn’t go after anyone, also didn’t dream of Gil, but picked up the case against him anyway.
Post 263: Tells Volo a revealing Seer will be the real one.
Post 272: Clears Mac, Nogrod and Volo. Now, if he did dream of both Menel and Valesse that only leaves two dreams free, so if two of those are certainties one is not. He has reasoning for Mac, but more just feelings for Nogrod and Volo, which makes me think the latter two would be the dreams (if any of them are though, it is possible this was all just guesswork). Is ok about me but not sure, so I doubt that was a dream. Unsure about Lommy and Naria so presumably hadn’t dreamt of them. Finds Sleepy and Gil most suspicious.
Post 280: Finds Gil more suspicious than Sleepy due to his behaviour.
Post 282: Adds clarity to his previous post.
Post 285: Votes Gil with admitted unsurety.

Now, I’m assuming Boro has had four dreams, but, toDay’s narration mentioned that Boro had been disturbed from his dreams two Day’s (presumably Night’s) in a row, so is it possible that he’s only had three? Going by that worst case scenario, that means he likely only dreamt of one innocent, because I’d be pretty surprised if it turned out he hadn’t dreamt of both Menel and Valesse.

If that is the case, I’d take the final cleared list of Mac, Nogrod and Volo into question, as only one of those could definitely be innocent, and it may be that he dreamt of none of those. Out of the three I am not sure who I would believe the one dreamt of to be. It seems like it should be Volo, as Boro did such a sudden U-turn on him from one Day to the next, but the Night the dream would have been done was the Night I believe he dreamt of Valesse so I’m really not sure about that. Plus, Volo is worrying me slightly, I will look at him properly later and see if I can work out why. Boro felt Nogrod and Mac innocent from the beginning, which actually makes it unlikely he dreamt of either, though he might have to make sure.

Basically, I’m stuck. All I can figure is that he did dream of the two wolves we have lynched, did not dream of the final wolf, and dreamt of at least one innocent. Who that innocent is I really have no idea! Perhaps though that is better, as it means the wolves don’t have a specific target for toNight. On the other hand it might be worse, we still have a Ranger, and they might be next in line to die. If we lose two more innocents and neither is the one the Ranger protected he/she might have to reveal if only to get back the numbers advantage. Until then though, silence would be prudent.

Now, all this is pure speculation. I hope everyone else looks over all of Boro’s posts as well, because we might have more to go on that way.

As for my suspicions, they lie with Lommy, Volo and Naria, and I will look at all three toDay if it’s possible. Right now though I must get on with my work!"

Kath left, hoping more people would have arrived by the time she got back.

[Nogrod]

"I heard you Kath!" Nogrod said, coming in as Kath was about to leave.

"You speak well my sister and I and I have had to rethink a few things meself was sure about just a moment ago. Just waitaminute..." Nogrod tried to concentrate and then finally spoke. He almost seemed sober this morning.

Boro clearly seems to offer us a Seer-list of innocents in #272, just look how the speech is made: the innocents bolded on their separate lines and the rest in-text etc. But why should he mix unknowns with the knowns and thence baffle us? So I tend to believe they are true innocents, at least for now.

That is based on the following:

One of the wolf kills were made by reason and not by a dream, but that I think very likely, and would say that Menel was the one caught without a dream. If you look at it closely, Boro's first suspicion of Menel was the third real post of the game #121 (not counting Wilva's post). So before Boro's first quite non-substantial accusation there were only a post by Menel (purely random accusation to open the game) and one by Gil ("let's eat some pancakes"). Then Boro's second post #133 consisted of a counter-rant against Menel's answer to Boro #123. Typical first posts. Then it was I and I who took to making a more serious argument over Menel in #139. And those basically were the arguments by which Menel was brought to the grave. So very possibly a death without a dream.

Your interpretation of the narration seems to me flawed. I thought

Boromir sat up in bed, startled from a dream he was having. "That's two Days in a row!" he cried exasperatedly.

meaning that he had been tried to be killed already the last Night, which would sound very probable indeed. Anyway, I think it's quite standard stuff that there are no major hints in the narrations.

So Boro has had three dreams of innocents? I come back to my earlier question: why would he have made the post #272 in the way he made it and still include actually known and just hunched innocents in it? That would be just weird.

And at least to my eyes the choices look quite reasonable indeed. Myself, Maca, Valesse(after Volo had suspected her earlier as Boro said himself) and Volo. If you look at the game dynamics that makes sense.

Were it that way, we should be optimistic right now. It might be a game of 1/4. And the Ranger would prove to be a real help... Just think about it. And I mean it. If you others find flaws in this, let's forget my ideas, but at least now I'm quite convinced."

With that Nogrod fell to the chair, just too sober to stay awake one minute.

[Naria]

All Naria could do at this point was to shake her head in dismay. She begged the question to all that were present, "What part of Gil is not a threat did you not understand? For that matter...when has he ever been a threat?! Just because some of you don't like the way that he tries and sort things out 'his way' and doesn't exactly make the most sense or he doesn't word his posts the way that some would like? I tell all of you, that is absolutely no reason to off someone. He made alot of sense with his dying words and I will certainly take heed and go back to look at those who voted for him."

Naria then took a long hard stare at Nogrod and wondered about his last comment

But just a short note to the ranger - sorry if you already thought of that. But be careful with your choice toNight. It will most probably be a wasted choice as the one of the last night will be killed toNight anyway (if the rules are what they have used to be so no guardianship of the same person two nights in a row - maybe you should check that out?). So think carefully, who you would like to protect the Night after the upcoming one. Sorry. No undervaluing of your thinking skills here, just a remainder if you had forgotten. I mean: If the one killed toNight is not the seer, and the wolf is still at loss, that is most important

"Ahem, I am a little confused by this statement. Why are you directing the Ranger? Our poor deceased Glirdy did not state that s/he could not dream of the same person two nights in a row(at least not that I can see). Yes one would assume that is the way it would go, but still there was no mention of it from him. Why not just let Glirdy decide or let that person know? You may have been wanting to look helpful, but it did not come across that way(at least to me anyway). Now I don't know if you honestly thought that Glirdy had that rule somewhere, but it almost seems to me like you didn't want to chance the Ranger maybe having the opportunity to protect that same person twice in a row and wanted to make it perfectly clear(to the ranger and maybe even Glirdan himself) that that isn't what the 'norm' is. So please clarify this for me...if you would. I just don't understand why you felt the need to slip that bit of info in right at the end of the Day."

Naria sat down in a nearby chair and opened her notebook again to have a look see at what Boro had to say.

[Nogrod]

"Okay, I believe I have a consistent list of the dreams by Boro. Just check this out.

Night1: Nogrod
Night2: Maca
Night3: Valesse
Night4: Volo

Myself on Night one because I'm on the list and he seemed pretty confident with me through the game and I might make a sensible first dream; this would not the first time it happens.

Maca on Night2 because from Day2 onwards he seems consistently to clear Maca - which he didn't on Day1.

Then Valesse on Night3 because there were suspicions over her during Day2 started by Volo and Lommy to begin with, continued by Boro later - with continuos suspicions over Di and Kath. I agree with Kath: Boro would have made a stronger attempt at Valesse had he dreamt of her already on Night2 (So Maca sits right there). In the next morning he went openly against Val.

Night4 goes for Volo because there had been the suspicions of his being too knowledgeable "freshman" - and because he clears Volo on the next Day - alongside Maca and Myself.

Sounds reasonable? At least it fits like a hand in the glove."

With that Nogrod stood up and went out.

EDIT: X-talked with Naria

[Thinlómien]

"I am pretty convinced of your theory, Nogrod", Thinlómien said, "I am ready take your, Volo's and Mac's innocence for granted unless it is revealed that Naria, Kath and Sleepy are all innocent."

Thinlómien sat down. "I propose that all other villagers besides me would trust these three gentlemen for a while as it seems quite obvious they're innocent, and we would all concentrate on lunching the unsures and narrowing down the possible suspects, lynching Kath, Naria, Sleepy and me that is."

"I have no idea which of the unsures is the last wolf - only that it's not me, but that still leaves three options -, though without thinking about it - by gut-feeling and my fragile recallings - I'd say that Mr. Sleepy here is the one were looking after."

"I'm in a desperate need of apple juice. I must make a clear picture of the other three unsures in my head, because, as I said, I don't know who of them is the remaining wolf."

She eyed her fellow villagers and added: "And I guess there are some questions and accusations from yesterday I must answer."

"Two works for me today it seems. Now, Wilwa, could I please have some fresh apple juice. That could do good for my brains."

[Macalaure]

Macalaure joined the others with deep sorrow carven into his face.

"Alas! Boromir is dead! And the seer was he, it is as I feared. But let us now overcome our grief and try to not let the wolf deepen our sorrow for another night.


The first question is, of course, who did Boromir dream of?

Speech 272 is an innocent list, that is clear. But I'm not sure of the way you arranged them, Nogrod. He cleared you and Volo on day 3 already, so it's unlikely he dreamt of him the next night. I'd say:

Night 1: Nogrod - that fellow can be a fearful enemy. Good thing to dream of him even before you heard anything from him
Night 2: Valesse - unless I missed something, he didn't mention her on day 1. Maybe she was a blank paper for him. At the end of day 2 he said he rather wanted Valesse dead than Diamond.
Night 3: Volo - another blank paper thing? It's possible to switch Volo and Valesse around, but that's not so important.
Night 4: Macalaure - if this is true then it was a wasted dream. He shouldn't have dreamt of somebody he already felt innocent. It's possible my day 3-stupidity suddenly looked wolvish to him and he wanted to make sure. Damn me....


The next question, who of the rest is the remaining wolf.

I feel weird about Naria. It's been quite some time since I last agreed on any of her points, however, the way she gave her points was void of all sneakiness, to me. Would a wolf be so persistent in suspecting Nogrod? Even now?

Sleepy remains a not-so-much-talking question mark. I don't seem to get any smarter on him.

Kath's analyses have been very helpful to me. I've seen a few minor faults not worthy to be mentioned, but overall they're all quite objective and unbiased. Right now I think her innocent.

Which leaves me with Lommy. She could go both ways, too.


I need more thinking of this matter."

[Sleepy Ranger]

"All I can say is that I happen to be very confused at the moment." Said the ranger. "I'm very unsure of who is what and what is who and other things like that. Anyway, I'll trust those who our seer thought was innocent and out of the remenant." He paused again. "Well I'm ridiculously confused about the rest now."

"In my honest opinion it could be any of the rememnant. The last wolf could be any of Kath, Naria and Thinlomien. Assuming that the rest are innocent." Sleepy shot a look around the room. "Well then, I'm inclined to believe that Kath is innocent, that leaves me with just Naria and Thinlomien." The ranger paused again, slipping into thought. "Out of Naria and Thinlomien I find Thinlomien more suspicious. Maybe it's just because she seems to be trying to be too nice at times. Then again something about Naria just screams psycopathic murderer. It's a werewolf we're after though..." He then slipped back into thought. He hoped his mind would form a clearer picture later.