Tol-In-Gauroth XXIV: Battle of the Band[Wagon] - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Volo · 09-28-2006, 12:37 PM

"Now Eonwe, don't start pointing your stick at anybody you see. The Power of Rock sounds good, but don't rely on it too much.
Boromir said something as true as sad, any strategy we think of now will most certainly turn against us.
Menel, I'm sorry for your absence, but I vow to wake up the king! By the way, talented lad that Toby..."
Volo started playing his alltime favourite, Exciter. Glenn sure knew how to use a guitar! And Rob's voice, nothing can beat that, perfect.

Folwren · 09-28-2006, 01:33 PM

The only problem with openly discussing our plans of how to catch wolves is what Boromir said - the wolves will know our plane.

The only problem with not openly discussing our plans is...there's no other way to discuss things.

I'm going to quote Boromir not because I'm accusing him or anything, but to make things more conveniently looked up. Okay, Boromir said:

Quote:

There's one problem that I see with this, it seems rather open. What I mean is by openly discussing how we are going to find werewolves, it would be much easier for the wolves to hide and avoid suspicion, especially if they know what we are going to do to go about finding them. It will be much easier for them to simply be A face in the crowd.

Yes, it's true that if we talk about how we're going to go about things, the wolves will try to find ways to hide. On the other hand, if we do not make some sort of effort to bring ourselves together, then we'll be running around with no plan, each man for himself, and the world doesn't go around very well when people act like that. As Benjamin Franklin said at the signing of the Declaration of Independence:

"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

-- Folwren

Meneltarmacil · 09-28-2006, 02:44 PM

*continues to munch on jelly doughnuts*

I understand your concerns, Boromir, and they are completely justified. Really, though, there's no way to discuss strategies for finding wolves without them hearing us, and it would be worse if we just tossed votes around at people without discussing them first. Remember, lynchings are carried out not by individuals' whims, but by majority vote. Folwren's Benjamin Franklin quote sums this up pretty well, and can be applied quite literally to this situation.

Glirdan · 09-28-2006, 03:18 PM

Dude!! What just happened? Sleepy was beheaded!? No way!! Who did this to the guy? A Wolf!? You're kididng me!! I have a phobia of big furry creatures you know...

But I'll still help find the killer of one of the most famous dudes of all, dude. But if I'm not around a lot, it's cuz I have other things to take care of (OOC - RL stuff). But I'll try and be here as much as possible dudes duddettes.

But I've gotta jet. So I'll catch you on the flip side!

(That's me trying to act stupid...didn't work to well...)

Durelin · 09-28-2006, 03:34 PM

It doesn't matter if we all die...

Which it looks like we might.

Personally, I expect the wolfman is having me for dinner tonight...

Just let me see Morrissey go before I do, okay?

The press try to categorize me a 'gloom-and-doom' singer. But, take a look at Morrissey! That man's a professional moaner!

The perfect lynchee. He'll find it fun.

++Morrissey

Or rather,

++THE Ka

*wanders off-stage singing, "Morrissey in a coma, I know, I know..."*

Celuien · 09-28-2006, 03:24 PM

This is no town for me. No symphony, no opera. If it weren't for the spell, I think I'd just leave.

I'm against random votes. I intend to focus my efforts on locating these imposter 'greatest musicians.' Ha! Greatest, indeed.

I'll return later.

Meneltarmacil · 09-28-2006, 03:42 PM

My ideas on how to spot wolves:

They will usually blend into the crowd. Some may be bold enough to be rather talkative, but there's most likely only going to be one doing that. The loud wolf, however, is the dangerous one. He/she will influence the voting and sway people toward innocents. If it seems the lynchings have not been going well and innocents have died, I suggest the Seer investigate the more influential people. The other two wolves will probably not try to create any serious trouble during the Day preferring to stay out of the spotlight.

What a wolf is not likely to do, though, is be completely silent. That usually leads to lynching, regardless of one's status. I'm not saying ignore the silent ones, though, as double-bluffing is also effective.

Above all though, don't step on my blue suede shoes.

Boromir88 · 09-28-2006, 04:14 PM

Menel, I do agree that there must be some sort of unity amongst us singers, but our best chance of winning comes down trust in individuals (and that's where the unity comes in). Do I want to trust you? Do you want to trust me? As the days go on we will all be able to establish our own cases against who we think are the wolves and the people we feel safe about. If that's what you were meaning, than I certainly have no disagreement. In order to find the wolves we have at least for a certain time, feel that someone is innocent. As simply suspecting everyone and saying everybody is a wolf, 'I trust no one' serves no good.

What I was meaning, was I don't think it's a good idea to talk about what we will be looking for the wolves to do, because that makes it far too easier for wolves to hide in and look innocent. If I spot something that looks wolvish, I go right after and jump on it. I don't like to discuss my own personal strategy as far as what I'm looking for the wolves to do, because that makes it easier for the wolves to get on my 'innocent' side, as they will know my mind and what I'm looking for.

Glirdan, your post seems far too dramatic to me. It shouldn't really be all that shocking. I bet Mr. Sleepy Cowell has received millions of death threats over the years. It should no surprise that someone (well wolves actually) went through with it.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-28-2006, 04:54 PM

Sleepy Cowell is dead. . .

And here we are a large group of musicians gathered on the same place, it reminds me of the Chelsea Hotel.

As for discussing what stradegy to use, well I have to join the choir that sings that it ain't no cure. Right now any stradegy would be almost pointless, I am willing to discus stradegy just not now.

Right now I don't have anything to say, I just wanted to let you know I am here.

Nogrod · 09-28-2006, 05:08 PM

We thought in the the beginning, that we're only in it for the money, but behold what has happened... Hungry freaks, Daddy!

But to the bussiness.

I see some countering threads of discussion here which both seem to have their justification. If we talk of tactics on Day1 it surely gives a hiding place for the wolves toDay but then again it binds their hands on days to come! If they say something toDay and act differently on the Days to come, we will see it! I mean, any way the wind blows, there are signs of consistency and signs of playing the opportunistic way. These can be seen! The forefathers of our band have seen this all too clearly when they have been forced to go with the dark side, you know, the son of the monster magnet & stuff. Remember: the one who has lied is bound to stay consistent with the lie and the situations may turn very nasty with the liar if s/he wishes to sustain her/his believability. We can observe all this...

So there are more pro's than con's with having a public debate of our conduct, but I think the good outweight the bad. Partly because of the following.

Laying low, or just hunkering down, does not help anyone with a pure soul. Anyone can do that: just post a bit of nonsense or wail the fate of Sleepy and then fall silent.

It might help those who are not interested in the common good but only for themselves (see the citation of Franklin by Folwren above) or the wolves! Who would vote someone on the basis of a little meaningless message on the first Day? No one! We all think there are so many better reasons to lynch someone else (mainly a good-willing innocent who has tried to make a difference by making some actual points). That's just the way the wolves would like it to be and within which they would like to hide themselves...

Yeah, I have said this a many times, but I think I need to recapitulate it here. No, I don't think all the baddies are silent. Not at all! I've seen many a loud and dominating wolves in my family's history. I think the Seer should check them (there may be games when the Seer should take on with other tactics, depending of the personality of the Seer and the way the discussion is bent to, but as a general rule I think this holds) .

What I want to say is that the silence is the best hiding place for a wolf during the first Days and the best excuse for the wolves going after a loud innocent who could be of help later... The dynamics of the game are different on the first Days with little to go for than on the subsequent ones when there is something to take hold on!

So at least my band will concentrate toDay with all those Wovie Zowies that try to slip comfortably under the radar - and to the slips they might make.

That makes me to look at both Durelin and Glirdan more close so far. But surely it's early and lots of things will happen before the deadline.

But now we'll have to go and practise for awhile, because our band leader doesn't like it if we do nor reach his requirements. There's trouble every day with him...

EDIT: X-performed with Rune and The Ka
EDIT2: Adding Rune and the Ka to my list of "follow these"...

THE Ka · 09-28-2006, 04:58 PM

It is alright Robert, I understand your need to judge before action and investigation.

Anyways, If I can say something without being cut off, it is a terribly bloody shame that Sleepy has left us. Now, we have this whole deal in ruins with no judge, and not too bad at one for that... I hope this doesn't have us in an inferno for too long, Johnny tends to become frustrated if we stay at a gig too long, then the guitars tend to become unshambled, and then he starts to complain about everything...

Well, I agree with most of you lads, a sweet and tender young hooligan would say he/she would never do it again, and again... But I don't think we have one of those on our hands. Of course, there is those who can't handle this pressure of press, audience, judging, and the idea of taking time for change, so, it would seem in the split second of anxiety, someone would be pushed to do such a thing as taking out the judge, or hanging the blessed DJ, if there was one in their path. Anyways, it is too soon, and like our Frank, maybe we shouldn't be pulled so easily into twisting conversations by a few sweet, tender, young hooligans, though we may see some of their plight.

~ Moz, Marr and the lads (Ka)

09-28-2006, 02:44 PM	#3
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	continues to munch on jelly doughnuts I understand your concerns, Boromir, and they are completely justified. Really, though, there's no way to discuss strategies for finding wolves without them hearing us, and it would be worse if we just tossed votes around at people without discussing them first. Remember, lynchings are carried out not by individuals' whims, but by majority vote. Folwren's Benjamin Franklin quote sums this up pretty well, and can be applied quite literally to this situation. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

09-28-2006, 03:24 PM	#6
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Just checking in. This is no town for me. No symphony, no opera. If it weren't for the spell, I think I'd just leave. I'm against random votes. I intend to focus my efforts on locating these imposter 'greatest musicians.' Ha! Greatest, indeed. I'll return later. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

09-28-2006, 03:42 PM	#7
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	My ideas on how to spot wolves: They will usually blend into the crowd. Some may be bold enough to be rather talkative, but there's most likely only going to be one doing that. The loud wolf, however, is the dangerous one. He/she will influence the voting and sway people toward innocents. If it seems the lynchings have not been going well and innocents have died, I suggest the Seer investigate the more influential people. The other two wolves will probably not try to create any serious trouble during the Day preferring to stay out of the spotlight. What a wolf is not likely to do, though, is be completely silent. That usually leads to lynching, regardless of one's status. I'm not saying ignore the silent ones, though, as double-bluffing is also effective. Above all though, don't step on my blue suede shoes. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

09-28-2006, 04:14 PM	#8
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Menel, I do agree that there must be some sort of unity amongst us singers, but our best chance of winning comes down trust in individuals (and that's where the unity comes in). Do I want to trust you? Do you want to trust me? As the days go on we will all be able to establish our own cases against who we think are the wolves and the people we feel safe about. If that's what you were meaning, than I certainly have no disagreement. In order to find the wolves we have at least for a certain time, feel that someone is innocent. As simply suspecting everyone and saying everybody is a wolf, 'I trust no one' serves no good. What I was meaning, was I don't think it's a good idea to talk about what we will be looking for the wolves to do, because that makes it far too easier for wolves to hide in and look innocent. If I spot something that looks wolvish, I go right after and jump on it. I don't like to discuss my own personal strategy as far as what I'm looking for the wolves to do, because that makes it easier for the wolves to get on my 'innocent' side, as they will know my mind and what I'm looking for. Glirdan, your post seems far too dramatic to me. It shouldn't really be all that shocking. I bet Mr. Sleepy Cowell has received millions of death threats over the years. It should no surprise that someone (well wolves actually) went through with it. __________________ Fenris Penguin Last edited by Boromir88; 09-28-2006 at 04:16 PM. Reason: bolding the names

09-28-2006, 05:08 PM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	We thought in the the beginning, that we're only in it for the money, but behold what has happened... Hungry freaks, Daddy! But to the bussiness. I see some countering threads of discussion here which both seem to have their justification. If we talk of tactics on Day1 it surely gives a hiding place for the wolves toDay but then again it binds their hands on days to come! If they say something toDay and act differently on the Days to come, we will see it! I mean, any way the wind blows, there are signs of consistency and signs of playing the opportunistic way. These can be seen! The forefathers of our band have seen this all too clearly when they have been forced to go with the dark side, you know, the son of the monster magnet & stuff. Remember: the one who has lied is bound to stay consistent with the lie and the situations may turn very nasty with the liar if s/he wishes to sustain her/his believability. We can observe all this... So there are more pro's than con's with having a public debate of our conduct, but I think the good outweight the bad. Partly because of the following. Laying low, or just hunkering down, does not help anyone with a pure soul. Anyone can do that: just post a bit of nonsense or wail the fate of Sleepy and then fall silent. It might help those who are not interested in the common good but only for themselves (see the citation of Franklin by Folwren above) or the wolves! Who would vote someone on the basis of a little meaningless message on the first Day? No one! We all think there are so many better reasons to lynch someone else (mainly a good-willing innocent who has tried to make a difference by making some actual points). That's just the way the wolves would like it to be and within which they would like to hide themselves... Yeah, I have said this a many times, but I think I need to recapitulate it here. No, I don't think all the baddies are silent. Not at all! I've seen many a loud and dominating wolves in my family's history. I think the Seer should check them (there may be games when the Seer should take on with other tactics, depending of the personality of the Seer and the way the discussion is bent to, but as a general rule I think this holds) . What I want to say is that the silence is the best hiding place for a wolf during the first Days and the best excuse for the wolves going after a loud innocent who could be of help later... The dynamics of the game are different on the first Days with little to go for than on the subsequent ones when there is something to take hold on! So at least my band will concentrate toDay with all those Wovie Zowies that try to slip comfortably under the radar - and to the slips they might make. That makes me to look at both Durelin and Glirdan more close so far. But surely it's early and lots of things will happen before the deadline. But now we'll have to go and practise for awhile, because our band leader doesn't like it if we do nor reach his requirements. There's trouble every day with him... EDIT: X-performed with Rune and The Ka EDIT2: Adding Rune and the Ka to my list of "follow these"... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 09-28-2006 at 05:14 PM.

09-28-2006, 12:37 PM	#1
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	"Now Eonwe, don't start pointing your stick at anybody you see. The Power of Rock sounds good, but don't rely on it too much. Boromir said something as true as sad, any strategy we think of now will most certainly turn against us. Menel, I'm sorry for your absence, but I vow to wake up the king! By the way, talented lad that Toby..." Volo started playing his alltime favourite, Exciter. Glenn sure knew how to use a guitar! And Rob's voice, nothing can beat that, perfect.

09-28-2006, 03:18 PM	#4
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Dude!! What just happened? Sleepy was beheaded!? No way!! Who did this to the guy? A Wolf!? You're kididng me!! I have a phobia of big furry creatures you know... But I'll still help find the killer of one of the most famous dudes of all, dude. But if I'm not around a lot, it's cuz I have other things to take care of (OOC - RL stuff). But I'll try and be here as much as possible dudes duddettes. But I've gotta jet. So I'll catch you on the flip side! (That's me trying to act stupid...didn't work to well...)

09-28-2006, 03:34 PM	#5
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	It doesn't matter if we all die... Which it looks like we might. Personally, I expect the wolfman is having me for dinner tonight... Just let me see Morrissey go before I do, okay? The press try to categorize me a 'gloom-and-doom' singer. But, take a look at Morrissey! That man's a professional moaner! The perfect lynchee. He'll find it fun. ++Morrissey Or rather, ++THE Ka wanders off-stage singing, "Morrissey in a coma, I know, I know..."**

09-28-2006, 04:58 PM	#11
THE Ka Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: As with the flygja Posts: 1,403	It is alright Robert, I understand your need to judge before action and investigation. Anyways, If I can say something without being cut off, it is a terribly bloody shame that Sleepy has left us. Now, we have this whole deal in ruins with no judge, and not too bad at one for that... I hope this doesn't have us in an inferno for too long, Johnny tends to become frustrated if we stay at a gig too long, then the guitars tend to become unshambled, and then he starts to complain about everything... Well, I agree with most of you lads, a sweet and tender young hooligan would say he/she would never do it again, and again... But I don't think we have one of those on our hands. Of course, there is those who can't handle this pressure of press, audience, judging, and the idea of taking time for change, so, it would seem in the split second of anxiety, someone would be pushed to do such a thing as taking out the judge, or hanging the blessed DJ, if there was one in their path. Anyways, it is too soon, and like our Frank, maybe we shouldn't be pulled so easily into twisting conversations by a few sweet, tender, young hooligans, though we may see some of their plight. ~ Moz, Marr and the lads (Ka) __________________ Vinur, vinur skilur tú meg? Veitst tú ongan loyniveg? Hevur tú reikað líka sum eg, í endaleysu tokuni?