Tol-In-Gauroth XXIV: Battle of the Band[Wagon] - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Celuien · 09-28-2006, 06:55 PM

Back from studying my scores.

It seems to me that avoiding strategic discussion hurts the village more than the wolves. All we have to go on is strategy and open debate. We could all invent hidden strategies on work on independently, but then we aren't making the most of team work, which, in my personal opinion, we need to have to win as a village. Maybe day 1 chaos to early to work on being a team. But then again, odd behavior can manifest enough on day 1 to catch a wolf, if we're all talking and paying attention. The wolves can meet in secret to plot, and regardless of what we do, can work on using our strategy (or lack thereof) against us.

*shrugs*

I'll be around a little longer.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-28-2006, 07:13 PM

I don't think anybody said we should not talk tactics, it was more that we should not agree on a way to do things that would enable the wolves to manipulate us.

I still have no clue what to say or do.

Celuien · 09-28-2006, 07:24 PM

I'd thought Menel suggested laying out how to find wolves, and Boro had said that doing that would let the wolves use that info against us.

My take is that listing the precise characteristics of what makes or does not make a wolf is probably a shaky idea. But not discussing tactics is also a bad idea. I'm going to try to strike a middle ground.

Any red flags I spot will be raised in retrospect so the monsters can't hide by having advance warning. In fact, I probably won't know what those flags are until I see them, being something of a gut feeling that leads to building a case person.

Eonwe · 09-28-2006, 07:54 PM

Well, Menel's post (#16) sounds reasonable to me. Especailly the bit about not stepping on his blue suede shoes. Who would do something like that? Undoubtalby, only a wolf. Something to keep an eye out for...

Seriously though, there is that percistent problem. "Evidence" in werewolf games, almost always (expluding, of course, a seer dream) boils down to biases and assumptions - basically gut fealings. While those are certainly not bad, it takes me awhile to get a gut fealing of someone. Yes, of course this is werewolf, were the fur should fly, and the lynchings come often, but I do hate to see an innocent die. So I am always reluctant to throw in my lot with someone until I feal something about them. So basically what I'm trying to say is I'm gonna have to give this some time, for people to build up a track record.

And of course, I'm not nay-saying at all. On the contrary, were will my records come from, if not your debates?

And one last thing: while I do appreciate the validity of the loud wolf/silent wolf theorists, I don't put much stock there. You can never predict the wolf demographics....

I'll be on a while longer...

Glirdan · 09-28-2006, 08:00 PM

Well, I am here and I must leave. (OOC - Like I said, RL stuff [parents kicking me off the computer, school]). But before I do, I will cast a vote and I will say now that it is mostly random because I have no serious suspicions. But my vote will be for

++Durelin

Because of the random vote for Ka. Honestly, that was probably the most random vote I have ever seen and it just doesn't sit right with me.

May we have the luck to find one of those Wolves and avenge Cowell.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-28-2006, 08:17 PM

Ok I am off from tonight, I should be back in good time before the deadline (5 hours or so). I shall wait untill then before making random or non-random acusations. I might add that Glirdan have have given me some things to think about in his last post.

Boromir88 · 09-28-2006, 09:07 PM

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I'd thought Menel suggested laying out how to find wolves, and Boro had said that doing that would let the wolves use that info against us.~Celuien

Perhaps it was a bit confusing, but Rune put my words better than myself...odd, huh?

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I don't think anybody said we should not talk tactics, it was more that we should not agree on a way to do things that would enable the wolves to manipulate us.

Let me give you this poker analogy, you don't want your opponent to know your plan, or how you are playing. Beacuse, if they do you are too easy to predict and the other players and they will make you pay for it. I find Werewolf to be the same, I don't want the wolves knowing my mind, so I won't say what I find to be wolvish. Now, if something does look wolvish to me, I'm going to jump out and say so, but I won't discuss what I'm looking for in order to find wolves.

I agree with Rune, if we all collaborate and set out what we think wolves would do, then they will make us pay for it. It will make our moves too predictable.

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And one last thing: while I do appreciate the validity of the loud wolf/silent wolf theorists, I don't put much stock there. You can never predict the wolf demographics....~Eonwe

That's the thing. Menel does make sense with that assumption, as that tends to be the pattern with most wolves. Problem is if we go with this assumption the wolves will go with a different strategy to play to our liking.

Before I go off to bed here, just some general comments about people so far.

I agree with Folwren's thoughts about Durelin. I don't like randomness, it doesn't serve any help to us. However, I never understand why people find the first random voter of the day to be a wolf.

Which leads me to Glirdan, who is making me wonder a bit.

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But before I do, I will cast a vote and I will say now that it is mostly random because I have no serious suspicions. But my vote will be for

++Durelin

Because of the random vote for Ka (bold-my emphasis)

Let me get this straight Glirdan...you go after Durelin because of the random vote for Ka, but you yourself cast a 'random' vote for Durelin?Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Menel, Eonwe, Folwren and Rune all seem sensible so far. I don't see any reason to think they are wolves.

Folwren · 09-28-2006, 07:22 PM

Well. . .it seems it would be wisest to plan some sort of procedure, and yet. . .when it comes down to it, how can a group plan something against hidden foes? What if we all plan some sort of strategy and one of the most involved planner is guilty himself? (Or herself.)

Why the crazy and random vote the THE Ka, Durelin? I really dislike random votes like that, but it makes me think that. . . that a wolf wouldn't do it. I don't know why I think it. But, why'd you vote for her?

Must go. May be back again this evening. . .

-- Folwren

09-28-2006, 07:24 PM	#3
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	I'd thought Menel suggested laying out how to find wolves, and Boro had said that doing that would let the wolves use that info against us. My take is that listing the precise characteristics of what makes or does not make a wolf is probably a shaky idea. But not discussing tactics is also a bad idea. I'm going to try to strike a middle ground. Any red flags I spot will be raised in retrospect so the monsters can't hide by having advance warning. In fact, I probably won't know what those flags are until I see them, being something of a gut feeling that leads to building a case person. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. Last edited by Celuien; 09-28-2006 at 07:25 PM. Reason: Crossed with Folwren

09-28-2006, 07:54 PM	#4
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	Well, Menel's post (#16) sounds reasonable to me. Especailly the bit about not stepping on his blue suede shoes. Who would do something like that? Undoubtalby, only a wolf. Something to keep an eye out for... Seriously though, there is that percistent problem. "Evidence" in werewolf games, almost always (expluding, of course, a seer dream) boils down to biases and assumptions - basically gut fealings. While those are certainly not bad, it takes me awhile to get a gut fealing of someone. Yes, of course this is werewolf, were the fur should fly, and the lynchings come often, but I do hate to see an innocent die. So I am always reluctant to throw in my lot with someone until I feal something about them. So basically what I'm trying to say is I'm gonna have to give this some time, for people to build up a track record. And of course, I'm not nay-saying at all. On the contrary, were will my records come from, if not your debates? And one last thing: while I do appreciate the validity of the loud wolf/silent wolf theorists, I don't put much stock there. You can never predict the wolf demographics.... I'll be on a while longer... __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

09-28-2006, 07:22 PM	#8
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Well. . .it seems it would be wisest to plan some sort of procedure, and yet. . .when it comes down to it, how can a group plan something against hidden foes? What if we all plan some sort of strategy and one of the most involved planner is guilty himself? (Or herself.) Why the crazy and random vote the THE Ka, Durelin? I really dislike random votes like that, but it makes me think that. . . that a wolf wouldn't do it. I don't know why I think it. But, why'd you vote for her? Must go. May be back again this evening. . . -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-28-2006, 06:55 PM	#1
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Back from studying my scores. It seems to me that avoiding strategic discussion hurts the village more than the wolves. All we have to go on is strategy and open debate. We could all invent hidden strategies on work on independently, but then we aren't making the most of team work, which, in my personal opinion, we need to have to win as a village. Maybe day 1 chaos to early to work on being a team. But then again, odd behavior can manifest enough on day 1 to catch a wolf, if we're all talking and paying attention. The wolves can meet in secret to plot, and regardless of what we do, can work on using our strategy (or lack thereof) against us. shrugs I'll be around a little longer. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

09-28-2006, 08:00 PM	#5
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Well, I am here and I must leave. (OOC - Like I said, RL stuff [parents kicking me off the computer, school]). But before I do, I will cast a vote and I will say now that it is mostly random because I have no serious suspicions. But my vote will be for ++Durelin Because of the random vote for Ka. Honestly, that was probably the most random vote I have ever seen and it just doesn't sit right with me. May we have the luck to find one of those Wolves and avenge Cowell.