Tol-In-Gauroth XXIV: Battle of the Band[Wagon]

[Glirdan]

Well, I must say that this isn't much of a shock. But I'm not thrilled about this either. It was a smart choice for the Wolves as Menel could be dangerous to them alive.

But I must adress something that's been bugging me.

Sorry, no time. Pop sent a fax RIGHT at voting time.

++Volo

To save my own skin. (Folwren)

Here are yesterDay's votes:

1)Durelin - The Ka (Ka 1)
2)Glirdan - Durelin (Ka 1, Durelin 1)
3)The Ka - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 1)
4)Lommy - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 1, Folwren 1)
5)Rune - Mac (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 1, Folwren 1, Mac 1)
6)Celuien - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 1)
7)Boro - Mac (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2)
8)Eonwe - Nogrod (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
9)Menel - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
10)Di - Rune (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
11)Nogrod - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 3, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
12)Mac - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
13)Volo - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
14)Folwren - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 5, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)

At the time of her vote, Volo's death was already sealed. The only person who had to vote was her. It was a throwaway vote. Too safe in my opinion. She had anybody to vote for.

It's true that Volo turned out to be a Wolf. He voted Folwren in an attempt to save himself. How do we know that Folwren didn't vote him to make her look more innocent? She is deffinetly at the top of my suspect list.

I'm going to go back over all the posts and see if there's anything else that cathces my eye.

[Folwren]

I am sorry that it was Menel who died. He voted for me yesterday, but I'm willing to forgive him of that. I liked him and he made sense.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

At the time of her vote, Volo's death was already sealed. The only person who had to vote was her. It was a throwaway vote. Too safe in my opinion. She had anybody to vote for.

It's true that Volo turned out to be a Wolf. He voted Folwren in an attempt to save himself. How do we know that Folwren didn't vote him to make her look more innocent? She is deffinetly at the top of my suspect list.

*deep deep deep sigh* I survived yesterday, gasping, with my head barely above water (I thought) and thought I'd cleared the hurdle, only to find I'm accused afresh in the morning.

Please allow me to explain more thoroughly what I meant when I said Pop sent a fax RIGHT (I meant 'RIGHT at', too) at closing time. . .

At fifteen minutes before voting time, I went for the computer to connect and stay posted until the end. I connected and had not yet gotten on the 'Downs when Pop hollers up from his office in the back 'I need to send a fax!!' Of course, I disconnected, allowing him the phone line. It was a 20 page fax!! And it took 20 minutes to send. Right at the exact time of voting, the fax gets through and the line is free (all the while, I'm really worried. I couldn't sit still, I thought my life was on the line, I had no idea how those last votes were going to go). So, come time, I finally manage to connect, I rush as fast as I can to the thread, without waiting for it to load (anyone who has dial up knows how long things can take to load), type down my vote, and post it. LESS THAN A MINUTE LATER Sleepy posts end of day.

Only after I voted did I run back and look at what transpired during those horrible minutes that Pop's fax was sending. I saw it hadn't been necessary that I vote, but it was just as well.

And there, my dear fellow, is my defense.

Now, I have no time left to explain anything. We were gone all morning picking up another horse and now there's lots of work to be done here at home. I will check in and out this afternoon and this evening I sincerely hope to have some time to write some thoughts.

Down with the wolves!

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Cross posted with Glirdan. I do not have time to completely read your post (I glanced through your arguments) and I have even less time to go through thorough arguments to deflect what you've said.

It's is an utter waste of time for you to be getting on me so much. If you want to know why I said the Boromir thing, go back and re-read my posts again and see what I've already said on the subject. You sited my explanation for the first quote you keep pulling up. Also, about my being an innocent and being scared to death - Why can't a person be honset here?!?! Seriously! I am the most talkative, most open, most wordy, most honest person here and I'm getting slammed for it! I am not trying to hide anything! Would a wolf, who's being hounded like this, talk so much? Would they? Stop it and think! THINK!

K. Please excuse me. I'm a little riled up. Tired and overwrought. I hope I haven't made things worse for myself but I have a horrible, sick feeling in my stomach that I just dug the hole a little bit deeper.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

This sounds like a plea of a Wolf trying to stay alive and attack more innocents. I really don't like it. If you're as innocent as you say you are Folwren, why would you have cared about being lynched? I personally would feel like a sacrifice, a way to get closer to finding the Wolves. This really sounds like a Wolf plea to me.

I happen to like being alive, thank you very much. What is more, I think that someone who talks as much as I do and thinks a little bit about what I write will be more of an asset to the village than something who doesn't talk much and doesn't talk much sense when he does talk, as Volo appeared to do when he lived. As it turned out, he was a wolf.

Yes, yes, use that 'be more of an asset to the village' to tie me down better, if you so wish!

-- Folwren

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will, be leaving now, so here is my parting shot.

Stop being after Folwren like this, am I really the only one who thinks she is too defencive to be a wolf. I know the opposite could be argued, but it simply attracts to much attention for a wolf to do this. At least under these sercumstances.

I don't know if I think that Glirdy is just being him self and on the wrong track or if he is a wolf praying on the obviouse and silly mistakes he can find.

[Durelin]

Okay, Folwren's almost definitely innocent. No wolf would dare make such a scene...

So, no, you're not the only one who thinks so, Rune.

Still, I don't want to say anything's absolute, of course... But let's focus on something new, if only for a change.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Am I really the only one who thinks she is too defencive to be a wolf.

No, you're not. After reading the defenses I crossed with, I'm thinking that she's probably innocent. What she said feels genuine.

But really, though I find myself disagreeing, I can't (and won't) fault Glirdy for going after her. It seems to me that he found a suspect and wanted answers. Silly mistakes are sometimes the only thing the village has to go on. *shrugs*

[Glirdan]

Okay, I will accept Folwren's reasoning for her late vote. But that still doesn't completely ease me. Yes, it's true that this type of scene is a little too dramatic and exposing for a Wolf. But how do we know that that's what she wants us too think. I don't know. I look back in my lorebooks and it seems that my family and hers had crossed paths before. But from what my records can tell, her ancestors never acted in such a way and it disturbs me.

I'm still keeping my eye on her. There's just something about it that seems too...well, odd.

[Boromir88]

Here's my thoughts on Menel's death.

1. He's a strong opponent against the wolves.

2. He was probably one of the only people yesterday that didn't attract any sort of suspicion what so ever. Everyone felt good about him, so the wolves wanted to get him out of the picture.

3. To set up for an easy lynch target today.

Call me a softy, but I've brought into Folwren's pleads. In the chaos and upped pace of the last minutes yesterday, it's understandable that Folwren was voting to save her life (eventhough if it turned out to be unnecessary).

Which leads me to Glirdan who has continued an attack on Folwren today. Since I find Folwren innocent, it's either that Glirdan is an innocent that fell into the wolves plan. Or he actually is a wolf pushing for Folwren's lynching. From what I know of Glirdan (which has been a very short history of records) he is the agressive attack type, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's a wolf in this situation.

Then there's Thinlomien, who got the ball rolling yesterday against Folwren. I had agreed with Thinlo's points, as because as far as Day 1's go it was one of the more sensible looking arguments. But, as the Day closed yesterday I grew wary of a vote against Folwren (for rather obvious reasons that I've made more clear today).

Though yesterday Thinlo's points made sense, today with more information that we now have, it's easy to take someone's words and fit your own meaning. I'm not saying you twist words around, but you twist people's intentions and feelings around to fit your own opinion. I mean a simple change as far as where you put a period can change the whole context and meaning of the sentence, or a section of writing. And since we can't read the tone of words in most cases, it's easy to form our own opinions that aren't necessarily correct.

I would like to hear from Thinlo as I have a feeling that she slyly guided supsicion towards Folwren and now has let other people lead the attacks against her.

Also, I'm considering this....Those who voted for Folwren:

1. Thinlolmien
2. Menel (dead- innocent)
3. Volo (dead-wolf)

Is it possible that Thinlo is also a wolf here? She got the ball rolling with some convincing looking arguments, as far as Day 1 goes, and a good wolf can do that. Menel bought into it. Volo was obviously trying to save himself, so perhaps he voted a long with a wolf partner who had started the suspicion against Folwren.

I have a feeling that either Glirdan (who is the one continuing the attack today) or Thinlomien, (who started the attack) is a wolf. As I find it pretty obvious that Folwren's innocent.

Edit: X-posted with several people.

[Celuien]

Glirdy posted my customary vote recap. But that won't stop me from copying over the portion I find most interesting.

6) Celuien - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 1)
7) Boro - Mac (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2)
8) Eonwe - Nogrod (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
9) Menel - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
10) Di - Rune (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 2, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
11) Nogrod - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 3, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
12) Mac - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 2, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
13) Volo - Folwren (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 4, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)
14) Folwren - Volo (Ka 1, Durelin 1, Volo 5, Folwren 3, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Rune 1)

Tie making and breaking:
Volo was the first to garner a second vote. A three-way tie (at 2 votes a piece) existed between Volo, Mac and Folwren after Menel's vote at number 9. Boromir was the other tie creator with a vote for Mac at number 7.

At that point, the field was wide open, and anyone could have been pushed into the lead. Nogrod and Mac then both voted for Volo, with Mac essentially making the deciding vote. For that reason, I'm inclined to think Mac is innocent. Had he voted for Folwren, Volo would have had a chance at escaping the vote. The same goes for Nogrod, who seemed more likely to vote for either Rune or me than for Volo until the last minute, when he tipped the balance against our deceased wolf.

Folwren doesn't necessarily feel guilty to me. In the flurry of votes, she might have thought that a vote for Volo was needed to save herself. And the frantic wish to stay alive doesn't have to mean that she was wolvishly trying to survive. Day 1 is a rotten time to go, even if you're ordinary. I'll watch her, but I'm not really getting a bad vibe from her.

And, actually, with Menel's death, I'm wondering about Boromir. I felt fairly certain of his innocence yesterday, but with his main opponent from yesterDay's debate gone, my attention had been attracted.