WWJ XII: "Oh the tangled web we weave..."

[Meneltarmacil]

Yo ho ho, me mateys! W've got some trouble in this village, it seems!

Catching these Things and making 'em walk the plank will be tough, as you really can't trust anyone, even known innocents. Shiver me timbers, it be a dire scenario! I personally would only follow up on suspicions rather than rely on "known innocents" here, as they have a way of changing on you.

Arrr, I don't know how honest you are there, Rune, but I don't think revealing yourself as the Weaver this early is a very wise thing to do, matey.

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, uh, wait a second, there, matey. I see you're just making a little joke by referring to your occupation.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rune

Actuallt to me Rikae is the most non-thingish of those who has posted. Mac, you know that almost everything in this game is dubble edged, the same argument can be used to prove both innocens and guilt.

I for one like Rikae's style

I don't understand why you use so much time to attack her arguments, if you knew all along that you were not going to act on it

Once again, I don't think Rikae looks thingish.
My intention was not to attack her points. Sorry if it looks like that. But I think her points aren't sound, so I explained what I think about the matters, independent of her possible guilt. Because of the late (or should I say, early) deadline, many Europeans will be forced to vote long before it. The more important to get the discussion going soon, I think, and I saw a possibility for that.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yes. . .The only reason for me chosing that occupation was so that I could say those words!

[Volo]

Volo walked lazily into the crowd, he really didn't feel like thinking about anything else, except an idea he so wanted to write down but just didn't have time for it.
"Things aren't fine, are they? Some things sure make our things hard.

Well, like always, I'll say "well" and post something that makes some sence, but doesn't tell anybody anything new.

Rikae just told us how the game works, something that seems often done on the first day. I can mean anything at all.

But then straight on Mac, three posts after only three posts. Well, I agree, the first one wasn't that interesting and can be thrown out. May I ask how did you manage to cross-post with Lommy? It does seem somewhat thingy to say so much so early, like we have seen before . But then again, he didn't actually say much thingy stuff, seems pretty honest to me, even if too much.

Lommy seems as Lommy as ever, and those Lommy's I have seen weren't wolves. It feels like honest talk so far, without evil intent.

Everybody else have said too little for somebody like me to see. Even the blind seem to see more than me.

It sure might be that we have a thing or two in the skin of a sheep, but I find it too early to say anything. Except that I'll have to vote before some of you will even post their first post. For that don't be too harsh with my pointless vote."

Ah, at last Volo could sit down and write freely. Now this is life.

[JennyHallu]

Hello Village.

I foresee a long and difficult day ahead, and suggest we get down to business.

Those who have posted:
Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Thinlomien- Blind gardener maid
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Glirdan- Town musician
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
JennyHallu- Prophetess

Those who have not:
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Briseis- Seamstress
Folwren- Jack the Blacksmith
Nogrod- GoatHerder
Eonwe- Miller

We've got a good half the village active this morning, and therefore it's a safe bet that at least one of those who've posted is working against us. Ignoring Glirdy for now, since he merely checked in, I'm most inclined to believe that our problem child is Mac or Lommy, but this is bare bones gut-feeling, and has little significance.

Rikae's tone struck me as more than a little over-the-top for a first post, and I hardly understand why one would write a first post to warn about first posts (which have been proven to be of little true significance), but that's likely a rookie's exuberance, and therefore excusable.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

I mean, she continuosly presents an assumption of the things and adds "of course, that applies to me" or something of the sort. That makes me uneasy. Why to do this?

Because if I don't point it out, someone else will, and because I want to start discussion without pointing fingers at other people.
The village doomsayer appears to have extensive knowledge of this type of terrible situation, and yet, much of what he says appears to contradict what has happened in other villiages.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Since a thing will die earlier than a wolf, they can lead us without worry. A wolf that leads us wrong will meet the vengeance of the innocents before the end, while a thing dies before that can happen.

But in other villages, there has frequently been an 'alpha wolf' type who did take a leadership role, which allowed him/her to direct votes and appear knowledgable, helpful, indispensible...while the other two kept a low profile.
You are right in saying a thing has less need to worry about keeping our trust long-term. One of the things will be revealed tomorrow night, and they don't know which. I don't doubt they will accuse and defend with this in mind.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

My lorebook tells me that this is exactly the image most things try to avoid. May not count for each of them, though.

Try, yes, but according to the experiences of other villagers, the certainty of a wolf/thing has a tendancy to show through nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Isn't this a bit contradicting?
Random accusations are a curse, I tell you, even if admitted. They usually give the accuser a sure raise on everybody's suspicion list. Demanding explanation is a good counsel. Look for crooked explanations!

Originally Posted by Macalaure

If random accusations aren't a bad thing, then why demand explanations for them? I see a contradiction in that.

I'm saying random accusations may be the act of an innocent who wishes to get his/her vote out of the way without starting a bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying others should join in on a random persecution. Just the opposite!

Originally Posted by Mac

Be careful! The opposite often is even worse. If the votes are spread all over the village, then the few votes of the things will carry a heavier weight.

Which will expose the things. Bandwagons are easy to hide in!

Originally Posted by Mac

Ai! But, unless you're the seer or weaver, it won't. You'll just be turned into one of them, and nobody will notice.

I did say day or night; I was thinking of Werewolf infestations, with which I am more familiar. You're right, of course.

Originally Posted by Mac

Hmmm. I have to admit that your post would usually make me very, very suspicious of you. But this is your first game, so I'll be nice.
For now...

Macalaure casts me in a bad light while simultaneously distancing himself and drawing attention to his own experience. I'm not saying it's thingish behavior, only that it might be worth taking note of.

Originally Posted by Rune

I don't understand why you use so much time to attack her arguments, if you knew all along that you were not going to act on it

Indeed.

EDIT: Xed with Volo and Jenny.

[Thinlómien]

Rikae seems a bit less suspicious in my opinion after her post; it has a general innocent feel. (Clearing up: Yes, I still think her somewhat suspicious.) There are a few things she says I disagree with/ consider strange:

Because if I don't point it out, someone else will . . .

I'm not sure if this is a very good argument. You can't escape suspicion and accusations by suspecting yourself, if that was your intent.

But in other villages, there has frequently been an 'alpha wolf' type who did take a leadership role, which allowed him/her to direct votes and appear knowledgable, helpful, indispensible...while the other two kept a low profile.

That is true, but we shouldn't count on that. Remember that it's easy for the baddies to play on our expectations of their behaviour. Much also depends on what kind of personalities the baddies are. If, for example, Nogrod, Boro and Mac were baddies, I doubt we'd have only one "alpha wolf" and the number of the "slip-under-the-radars" would consequently be much smaller...

Which will expose the things. Bandwagons are easy to hide in!

Yes, they are, but so are single votes. According to my experiences, bandwagoners tend to be analysed the most, especially if they lynch a wolf. One single vote can be seen only as a whim or differing opinion and then ignored.

PS. If you have not yet caught it, I use three dots with spaces between them, like this . . . to present that I have taken a passage out from a quotation.

[Thinlómien]

In principle I am/was against lynching newcomers so that they might have a chance to really play, but then I realised that were I still a newcomer to the wws, I wouldn't like anyone not to vote me solely based on my newcomerishness. Hopefully, Rikae, you feel the same way, because my vote will be for

++Rikae

She seems to be the most suspicious this far. Ironically, the more I read her posts, the less I suspect her, but as there's no one other I suspect, I "must" vote her.

As to the others, Volo and especially Rune feel innocent to me. (No, I don't have any specific reasons for this. It's just the general impression.) Of the others I can't say.

EDIT: xed with Mac

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

In principle I am/was against lynching newcomers so that they might have a chance to really play, but then I realised that were I still a newcomer to the wws, I wouldn't like anyone not to vote me solely based on my newcomerishness. Hopefully, Rikae, you feel the same way, because my vote will be for

++Rikae

She seems to be the most suspicious this far. Ironically, the more I read her posts, the less I suspect her, but as there's no one other I suspect, I "must" vote her.

Hmm, suspects me less, but votes for me anyway - and this means in the event of a tie vote, I die.
No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other. (Mac's statement "Do I have to worry about you, Lommy? " seems to imply he doesn't need to worry about her).

EDIT: X posted with Jenny

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Rikae

No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other.

"Well why do you talk so as if you're trying to get yourself lynched :/ and what more reason does Lommy have to vote you than Mac."

and this means in the event of a tie vote, I die.

"What do you mean? (Just to get rid of confusion)

Should I vote now, or without any new information later, I won't have time to read and think..." :/

[Gil-Galad]

Aye, Rikae is not that suspicous in my eye, but if she turns out to actually be a thing then we've all been played for fools this first day.

right now i am looking at Rune, though his occupation is The Weaver(not real) we may happen to overlook it and he may be a Thing hiding.

Thus my vote must go to Rune, it probably won't be to effect but its a start.

++Rune son of Bjarne