Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXV: All Star Crossed With Nowhere to Go - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Farael · 10-29-2006, 01:02 PM

One would say "Ohh Lhuna has voted against him, he's sure to retaliate" and then condemn me for trying to distance me from her, which is surely a lovers tactic. But on the other hand, if I go out and claim that she is innocent, I'll be accused of being her lover. Thus, I'll just say this.

Lhuna, day 1's are random, but that excuse will not serve you tomorrow. Pray to Eru you are not a were-creature because my eye is on you. I shall comb through your every word and if anything were to even as much as seem were-creatureish I shall lynch you myself.

But there is a bigger bone to gnaw at it today.... read this.

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Originally Posted by Holbytlass

sshhh, the oliphaunts are restless
this is most sad and fearsome. who could do such a thing and why would anyone love them? to begin somewhere, let's take a look at the obvious:

most suspicious these four persons need death
Menel - Mad Scientist =need of body parts
Durelin - Lead Tragic Actor =there needs to be tragedy
Rune - Humungous Fungus Grower =most fungi need some sort of decay to grow
Mac - Builder of Gibbets, unemployed for millennia =needs murder to have a criminal to hang, perhaps tired of being unemployed

least suspicious these persons need live ones to make (or in the case of arcticstorm get) money from
Kitanna - One Legged Chambermaid
Nogrod - a Smith of the Billmarins
arcticstorm - Raving Alcoholic and Resident Moocher
Morm - City Street Cleaner
Naria - Lemba Baker
Fintaeph - Mutton Herder and Purveyor of Fine-Quality Undead Prosthetic Limbs

middle suspicious these people could care less whether we are here or not-could be scary depending on how one looks at their situation
Kath - Flower Girl
JennyHallu - Countess
Valier - Arranger
Lhuna - Beautiful Girl with Sleeping Sickness
Farael - Patient suffering from Mad Elf Disease
Rikae - Contortionist

as time goes by and how things turn out, i'm sure i will be revising my lists.
now to try and coax out of the oliphaunts what they saw

I should be glad I'm in the "middle suspicious" category, but what the Morgoth??? Half of us have not even uttered a sound and she's already separating us into categories?

"Divide and Conquer"

I SAY Holbytlass is a were-creature, or one of their nasty helpers!! I shall vote for her unless something changes my mind. Which would not be unheard of in day 1, but I have a hunch... and my hunches are usually good.

Thinlómien · 10-29-2006, 01:38 PM

Naria, I agree with you. Mac's a bit weird. I mean, his whole post is from a werecreature's/lover's point of view, and that indeed is enough to make me wary.

Maybe it's a bit early to say, but I think Naria is probably a good guy or then she is a bluffing evil creature; last time she was evil she returned to her earlier gameplay tactics and slipped under the radar. Why wouldn't she do that now too if she had evil intentions? I can see only advantages for an evil Naria in slipping under the radar early on. (Of course we it would be too short-sighted to discount the possibility of an evil bluffer-Naria though...

)

Holby, why am I not in any of your categories, might I ask? Not that I wanted to be in one, but I surely wonder why am I ignored...

Holbytlass · 10-29-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Holby, why am I not in any of your categories, might I ask? Not that I wanted to be in one, but I surely wonder why am I ignored...

oh dear, my apologies. too much cutting and pasting, now we might be accused of being lovers

Lommy-ostrich chaser goes in the middle suspicios category.

went back and checked, did not miss anyone else

Fintaeph · 10-29-2006, 01:55 PM

Some things I'm thinking about while considering what to do about this tragedy:
1) there are 10 of us and 8 of them; therefore a random guess has a better chance of killing a friend than an enemy;
2) each pair has a 6 in 16 (37.5%) chance of killing another pair tonight; therefore, by tomorrow morning, assuming one of the pairs isn't lynched today, and they randomly pick their victims, 1 or even 2 pairs of the pairs should be dead by their own fangs;
3) with numbers this small, reality won't follow probabilities very closely.

Given all of this, I don't know what to do but bar myself in my barn with my sheep and hope to find my courage and a large weapon by tonight.

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Nogrod · 10-29-2006, 02:31 PM

Okay. 13 from 18 has said something, most of them nearing nothing, though... Sadly we Finnish-elves need to go to sleep in a couple of hours and will have to vote soon...

So anything this far?

Naria and Lommy may be up to something with Macalaure. Post #10 surely raises questions. I myself like to speculate about how the baddies would work and many of you know well how prone I may be to suggest different methods to work with if I find something useful, but Mac's post seems to be just speculation from the angle of the baddie/lover. Except for the notion, that we should not look for the pairs on the early Days. What to say of that?

Farael is running loose again! I'm not suspecting him by his readiness to cast suspicion everywhere (as that my lorebooks tell me is normal), but for this:

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One would say "Ohh Lhuna has voted against him, he's sure to retaliate" and then condemn me for trying to distance me from her, which is surely a lovers tactic. But on the other hand, if I go out and claim that she is innocent, I'll be accused of being her lover.

Now what is this? After receiving the Day's first early vote that has at least been formulated to be as random as possible, then all this defence? With a clear conscience one can just ignore these and get involved only if there seems to be reason to believe that a sidetracked bandwaggon is about to form on the basis of a nonsense vote. So why so keen to defend?

Nothing better this far... and this is not much.

Farael · 10-29-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Holbytlass

oh dear, my apologies. too much cutting and pasting, now we might be accused of being lovers

Ohhh yes you will... isn't it convenient? one "forgets" to add the other on her list and the other asks to be on the list and gets included. They couldn't be lovers, could they?

Well, I say they can and they are! it's too innocent a behaviour, why would Loomy WANT to be on a list? it's just too dangerous. If, as I suspect, Holby is found a werecreature or a lover, that list will probably be analyzed and picked appart. If I had been left out by accident, I would much rather have preferred NOT to bring that up!

And Rune, what I see or don't see you'll never know unless I tell you. She's suspicious though, and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

Naria · 10-29-2006, 02:26 PM

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She's suspicious though, and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

Huh? What? Am I missing something Farael? Since we started with a Day phase, I'm not at all following your suspicions for Holby.

Kitanna · 10-29-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Farael

and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

Equally perilous to listen I think. A bit angry Lhuna voted for you so early, Farael? Trying to throw something out toward someone else?

I find nothing to convict Holby of werecreatureness. And since I have played with you before Farael (though it's been awhile) I can't say I find you completely wicked either. But I'll defiantly be watching you and Holby closer now.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-29-2006, 02:41 PM

I hate to do this, but Farael really annoys me. I just don't like the whole

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and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

thing. . .

I wish Lhuna had not voted for him, then I would not feel bad about this at all.

++Farael

mormegil · 10-29-2006, 03:45 PM

My guess on Farael is that he is attempting us to think him the seer/watcher person. He is not, I believe he is a lover, and let me explain.

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and those of you who know my playing style should do well in listening to me. It has been proven perilous for the ordos to ignore me.

As a lover, if dreamt of he will appear innocent. There are those among the non-watcher group that might think him the watcher, which is a benefit to him and his partner. Likely the watcher will dream of him tonight and will only see him as innocent. He is betting that the ranger will be protecting him tonight from the other three were-creatures so as to foil that attempt. The watcher dreaming of him tonight will keep his partner from being dreamt of. It's really a good strategy overall, but I believe it has backfired.

++Farael

as a lover not a were-creature...but is there really any difference?

I do believe Menel to be a bit aggressive in his defence fairly needlessly and suspect him greatly but Farael moreso.

Valier · 10-29-2006, 03:48 PM

Oh the tragedy!!!! I am completely speechless as of now....werecreatures galore, Oh my!!! I believe the only thing to do today is to sit and observe, and ponder all things. We have a fairly good shot at catching us some lovers today, but most of the thrown out votes are random and I do not like to commit to a lynchee till I have had time to think things through. I have no high suspects yet, but I will be back, hopefully with a plan to keep this village orderly, with everything in it's right place.

Macalaure · 10-29-2006, 04:12 PM

May I ask since when it is held suspicious to try to see things from the were-creatures' point of view?

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Originally Posted by Farael

Well, I say they can and they are! it's too innocent a behaviour, why would Loomy WANT to be on a list? it's just too dangerous. If, as I suspect, Holby is found a werecreature or a lover, that list will probably be analyzed and picked appart. If I had been left out by accident, I would much rather have preferred NOT to bring that up!

Why would Lommy want to be on that list? Well, why wouldn't she? Should indeed Lommy and Holby be lovers, then Lommy hurt herself more by pointing out she'd been left than by remaining silent. Though I'm not sure what to think of Holby's list, I don't think Lommy's notice points towards a connection between the two - rather the opposite. I can't follow you in your arguments, Farael. I haven't played with you yet, so I don't know whether you're playing according to your style or not.

I find Rune a little strange. Many are suspicious of Farael right now, but none so aggressively.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-29-2006, 01:40 PM

Are completely unable to see the humoure in Hoblytlas's post? I found it a good read. .

Vote for her if you like, she is a good a lynch candidate as anyone else at this point, but don't try to justify your vote like that.

and btw I would not think you were Lhuna's love just because you did not retaliate. I my self have often defended Lhuna.

EDIT: Cross posted with Lommy

10-29-2006, 01:38 PM	#2
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Naria, I agree with you. Mac's a bit weird. I mean, his whole post is from a werecreature's/lover's point of view, and that indeed is enough to make me wary. Maybe it's a bit early to say, but I think Naria is probably a good guy or then she is a bluffing evil creature; last time she was evil she returned to her earlier gameplay tactics and slipped under the radar. Why wouldn't she do that now too if she had evil intentions? I can see only advantages for an evil Naria in slipping under the radar early on. (Of course we it would be too short-sighted to discount the possibility of an evil bluffer-Naria though... ) Holby, why am I not in any of your categories, might I ask? Not that I wanted to be in one, but I surely wonder why am I ignored... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

10-29-2006, 03:48 PM	#11
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Oh the tragedy!!!! I am completely speechless as of now....werecreatures galore, Oh my!!! I believe the only thing to do today is to sit and observe, and ponder all things. We have a fairly good shot at catching us some lovers today, but most of the thrown out votes are random and I do not like to commit to a lynchee till I have had time to think things through. I have no high suspects yet, but I will be back, hopefully with a plan to keep this village orderly, with everything in it's right place. __________________ grand return?........

10-29-2006, 01:55 PM	#4
Fintaeph Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 11	Some things I'm thinking about while considering what to do about this tragedy: 1) there are 10 of us and 8 of them; therefore a random guess has a better chance of killing a friend than an enemy; 2) each pair has a 6 in 16 (37.5%) chance of killing another pair tonight; therefore, by tomorrow morning, assuming one of the pairs isn't lynched today, and they randomly pick their victims, 1 or even 2 pairs of the pairs should be dead by their own fangs; 3) with numbers this small, reality won't follow probabilities very closely. Given all of this, I don't know what to do but bar myself in my barn with my sheep and hope to find my courage and a large weapon by tonight. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Hey! This mutton jerky is awesome!" -- Naria, overheard talking to a friend ------------------------------------------------------------------ Missing a limb? Call 1-800-UNDEAD-ARM and get it replaced!