WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Great I have nothing and now I have to go. . .

I am not convinced about CoD's guilt and I did not pay any atention to his comment when I saw it. . .so I am not going to hunt his head just yet.

ehm. . .Volo, I never said you were a bad writter, infact I have opposite impression. I just did not like that particular post.

so it is going to be a pretty much random vote. . .I want to vote Naria or Volo, I don't know why.

hmmm Volo it is!

++Volo

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I am not convinced about CoD's guilt and I did not pay any atention to his comment when I saw it. . .so I am not going to hunt his head just yet.

I'm not saying I'm convinced about CoD's guilt either. It's just the only suspicion that I can ground with some sense. If I'm not able to find any better candidates I will vote for CoD, but happily there's time and I will surely try to do some rewieving of other people later on.

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, I must say I am quite honored to be the first one voted for! This just proves my natural aristocratic superiority!

However, I think some of you have read a bit too far into my comments. I would say that, in light of my comment on insight, I am certainly not this 'Seer'. Quicker would I submit to decapitation than to being some horribly wretched (and poor, I might add) prophetic type.

Nor am I a wolf. Surely I am a villain to most of you common folk, if only being that I am a nobleman of renowned wealth! But that is no reason to lynch one of the few educated and socially outstanding men of this group! Why, without me you would have no one to mock with your simplistic rhymes and jokes. I must remind you that I am of aristocratic stock, and to devolve into wolf-dom is beneath my character. Why kill those you can simply tax to death over time?

Wolf or Seer I am not. And I certainly would not like to miss out on performing as the Gnomish Archwizard, as I have come to love the role in my studying of it.

And furthermore, my suspicions have grown to include Thinlomien. There are certainly others, but the insignificance of those worries are beneath mentioning. However, I will reserve judgement til the 11th hour draws nigh. Until then, I shall continue to gather knowledge.

[Naria]

Wolf or Seer I am not

In light of our General's speech, I would have to agree with you CoD here. I don't believe you are any of the two. I believe you could be the Cobbler. Nogrod states that there are three posibilites for you to have said:

insight that the rest of you...commoners...could never obtain

.

That you are the Seer or an ordo trying to protect the Seer or a wolf. Now because you state that you are neither the Seer or wolf and I don't think that anyone in their right mind would say that they are the Seer so early on, would lead me to conclude that you are the Cobbler. There is absolutely no gain in a Seer coming out so quickly or for an ordo to protect the Seer so soon. I really do think that this statement CoD is incriminating. I think that you want us to believe that you are the Seer so you can live longer so as you can help the baddies. And quite frankly, what better way to do it then to say something like that so people second guess themselves. "he could be the real Seer, I shouldn't vote for him" or "nah he's got to be bad, I'll vote for him" then back again "but what if he's the real Seer...I can't vote for him if he's telling the truth" A wolf would have nothing to gain by this either, as I can see, by saying something like this he would surely garner too much suspicion and get lynched.

I will more than likely vote for CoD, but I will hold off until more have spoken.

[Nogrod]

Thank's Naria, I had totally forgotten about the cobbler... That's possible too.

But correct me if I'm wrong Naria. Did you say that if CoD is a cobbler, pretending to be the Seer would help him to live longer but were he a wolf it would make him look suspicious and get him lynched? Now how does this work?

Okay, I'm on to looking at the posting toDay.

[CaptainofDespair]

Yes, indeed. In being the cobbler, and prancing around as a prospective Seer, I would get myself killed by the very creatures I would try to help bring to victory. Also, as the cobbler, I do not know who the wolves are. It does not help me to be cobblerish when I have not yet been able to feel out the situation.

I will also say that the General's logic is quite flawed, and his conclusion incorrect.

But, for instance, let us say I am the cobbler. They say that you should keep your friends close and your enemies closer. To do so allows you to watch me, and neglect anything I say. Thus, in negating my effects, you take away my ability to help the wolves and you have one less person to worry about. If the wolves kill me then, because I no longer can serve their purposes, it is a safe kill for the group.

To lynch me on suspicion of being cobbler or wolf or what have you, without any definitive evidence (with the opinions seemingly being driven by my pompous aristocratic comments), is but the first step in handing over our lives to the wolves.

I will now look more closely at Naria and Nogrod. The former and Thinlomien now top my list of suspects.

[Volo]

Tom

"What about Farael and Durelin then? They seemed to be high on your list just a few posts ago..."

[CaptainofDespair]

Originally Posted by Volo

Tom

"What about Farael and Durelin then? They seemed to be high on your list just a few posts ago..."

I only said I would keep an eye on them. I never gave them position. However, they have not wantonly attacked me for simply being in-character (which is where all of this seems to have stemmed from).

[Rikae]

*Ilberic strolls in smirking*

Sorry I'm late, everyone, but library science wasn't part of my training. It's terrible, such nice girls, so well read.
I'm also rehearsing a play - I think it ought to cheer you up. It's about a man who impersonates a young American woman and goes on a killing spree. It's absolutely hysterical! The real tragedy, though, is that the bodies were too mangled to use as props.
But cheer up! We'll have another dead body soon!
++CoD

Because hobbits don't need shoes, if you catch my drift.

[Durelin]

I can't say I'm very convinced about CoD either being a wolf or the cobbler...there's always, always the possibility of the very foolish villager. And obviously we cannot think anything good of the intelligence of the aristocracy, though we do not speak of it aloud...well, to their faces.

And I am well aware that I risk being seen as CoD's partner in crime by stating anything that might be a casual defense, but I'm fully prepared to take such a risk because I just hate seeing a lynch wasted...even a Day 1 lynch. There should be at least some sense to it... Though perhaps the sense here is getting rid of a confusing and so far completely unhelpful villager if not a cobbler or wolf.

Yes, the wolves do like to get out there and get the village turning (right now, for me, Nogrod, Anguirel, and CoD would fall under here). However, I wouldn't put it past at least one of the wolves to say very little (if anything at all) on Day 1...while one or both of their buddies go out and get their hands dirtied.

Of course it's still a possibility that a wolf might not appear at all on the first Day, but the odds are in favor of all three being there...'twas really all I said.

Anyway, I agree with the three you have listed as being ones who have 'gotten the village turning' (I do like that way of putting it ), and I find Ang the most suspicious of those.

Why? Well, I'm going to reverse his concept of the debonair wolf, and say that at least one of the wolves will simply have to remain more cautious, in my opinion. All three taking one approach just doesn't make sense to me, and is not a pattern I have experienced (really I think it impossible, if only due to the fact that werewolves seem to have personalities as well). And Ang comes across to me as someone who has 'gotten his hands dirty' enough by being definitely present and pointing out different things, but never really getting down into meaty accusations. This could be said of more than just Ang (probably can be said of myself), but I have more of a bad feeling toward Ang. His vote actually makes me feel less suspicious of him, though...I find it pretty reasonable, especially for a Day One vote, and not as easy as simply voting for a more popular choice.

Though now that I think about it, Boro comes across that way as well, remarking just enough to stay involved, but not really saying anything for certain...he seems standoffish. This is not the usual Boro to me, as I am used to lengthy (and more to the point, in my opinion) analyses. Still, it's Day 1...how much is there to analyze other than CoD, who has successfully engaged most everyone's attention? And he may be short on time, like many seem to be.

Really there's not enough to go on with those two, but, if I had to vote now, it would more likely be for Ang...he has just the right amount of debonair, but a good dose of cautiousness as well, I think.

And I have not ruled out voting for CoD to get rid of his insanity...and hope that he might be the Cobbler or maybe even an extremely bold (really wants to be 'Fenris?') wolf.

I find Gurthang's hasty vote a bit unnerving, as well as Rune's, but I've never felt random Day One votes to be necessarily of any matter.

Luckily, I do not have to vote yet.

Edit: I apologize for that being so long! I hate long posts...I'm such a hypocrite.

[Diamond18]

Greetings, all. Quite interesting reading, for a day one. At the moment the only person who leaps out at me it Anguirel. He seems to be flinging half-hearted suspicion everywhere. First, being quick to agree with Lommy that CoD seems "funny," then declaring Durelin the most suspicious, then saying Lommy's early vote seems wolfishly safe, then saying he finds Durelin and Gurthang the most suspicious but is going to vote Diamond because... um... why? I'm not clear on that. I hate it when someone voices suspicions and then does a 180 and votes for a person they've hardly mentioned, and who is not in danger of being lynched. Nice way to spread dirt and raise suspicions without it showing in the vote count.

[Boromir88]

Durelin, you're last two posts may have saved a vote from me at least for today. Looks quite observant and a bit helpful to me, if I may say so. You have correctly noticed that I have not been my usual self...due to various factors such as lack of time, lack of sleep, and lack of substantial stuff to comment on. Honestly, everything I've said is everything I felt was worth commenting on...the rest seems rather typical Day 1 junkishness that has been more prevelant than I'm used to seeing. I'm going to have to vote sooner than I anticipated as well.

The comment just doesn't sit right with me (which you have correctly noticed)...oh and Durelin, you could be an innocent by standard that was caught in Farael's trap...but if Farael turns out to be a wolf, by no means does this absolve you of wolfishness either. It seems either 1) it was planned from the beginning (meaning at night), or 2) One of you two was having some wolvish fun.

Since your last post has been of some help and Farael has disappeared from existance, I'm going with:

++Farael

Edit: x-posted with CoD

[Nogrod]

Have you noticed the same pattern I have? Many times people get to suspect others because those have first suspected that oneself. Kind of "retaliatory" stuff?

But if we think for the best of the village, we shouldn't fall for it. There's only something to be gained for the wolves if our reasoning is based on that kind of issues. Remember, most of us get our votes wrong most of the time, sadly but truly. It's a reaction that seems most natural (and somewhat reasonable) for a wolf but not very constructive for a villager.

So f.ex. (I'm not sure if I have all the cases here) Durelin was ready to "watch" Boro more closely as she interpreted Boro to have suspected her (wrongly, if I understood it right). CoD told that myself and Naria were at the top of his suspicion-list with Lommy because we had suspected (and Lommy also voted) for him. Di suspects Ang now as he has voted for her...

I'm not saying that I suspect all of these people to be wolves / cobblers, but I do peg, hold your horses in situations where someone suspects you. Retaliating does not help us. You all know that the bitterest fights are almost always performed between two innocents...

That one aside, I think both Durelin and Di have a point here: Ang should be looked at more closely. His performance toDay could be interpreted as a very wolvish one. Funny though: Durelin and Di are the exact first persons he suspected...

EDIT: X'd with CoD and Boro

[Nogrod]

Well, here's the voting thus far for starters...

Lommy --> CoD (CoD1)
Gurthang --> Anguirel (CoD1, Ang1)
Rune --> Volo (CoD1, Ang1, Volo1)
Volo --> CoD (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1)
Anguirel --> Diamond (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1)

It's still a couple of hours left and it's Day1.

But still I'm inclined to vote for those who do not delve into the game but hunker down. If all the players just went under radar (either not posting or posting nothing of intrerest) there would be no game - or it would be a boring & random one. And as both Gurthang and Boro have already mentioned, it's very safe for the wolves to stay quiet on Day1. It's very rarely that anyone not-posting or just joking is lynched on Day1. That's their safest corner now.

Looking at toDay with this in mind brings me these...

Rikae is yet to post.

Diamond has posted once, having fun (and making me smile too), but not much gamewise...

Same holds for Valier, one post, not much to say anything about.

Rune has posted more in quantity but has not involved himself. He's suspicions and trusts are random and the only thing he has actually said is his being not convinced about CoD's guilt...

Now they all have time enough to come forwards and make their mark (although Rune seems to be gone...). But if they don't, I'm both ready and willing to considerate them as my voting options.

I try to so look wider in a moment.

CoD's calmness speaks favourably on him thus far (even though I still can't see why he would have written the things in his first post if he were not a wolf). I see the point of being in-character, but why on earth just that point given? One could have pointed out the pompous nobility in hundreds of ways. I still think we lack an explanation for it. If CoD makes a good answer to that, I'm ready to wipe him from my suspicion list, if not, I'm keeping him there.

Btw. CoD, what you say about being a cobbler makes a lot of sense. I do not believe you to be the cobbler.

EDIT: X'd with Ang and Durelin

[CaptainofDespair]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

CoD's I see the point of being in-character, but why on earth just that point given? One could have pointed out the pompous nobility in hundreds of ways. I still think we lack an explanation for it. If CoD makes a good answer to that, I'm ready to wipe him from my suspicion list, if not, I'm keeping him there.

Btw. CoD, what you say about being a cobbler makes a lot of sense. I do not believe you to be the cobbler.

Hopefully I do not misunderstand what you have said. I will make an attempt at explaining myself.

Yes, I could have gone about the nobility angle much differently. And, probably, I should have. But, being the first post, there was not much else to play with. Now, I did say that I did not approve of (or implied, which would also be a mistake) what the wolves had done to our poor Mods. But, nobles (and other peoples, too) have often seen admriable traits in their enemies...something to be commended and perhaps emulated. That was all I was doing.

Certainly, Nogrod, as a General you can understand the emulation of useful/clever tactics.

And Boro, I only backed off of Durelin and Farael because there was nothing left to go on. Had they continued with any sort of banter, I might have found more cause. But my attention was turned away from contemplating them more fully as I had to focus on defending my own actions.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by CaptainofDespair

Yes, I could have gone about the nobility angle much differently. And, probably, I should have. But, being the first post, there was not much else to play with. Now, I did say that I did not approve of (or implied, which would also be a mistake) what the wolves had done to our poor Mods. But, nobles (and other peoples, too) have often seen admriable traits in their enemies...something to be commended and perhaps emulated. That was all I was doing.

I'm not sure if we have now understood each other... What I found suspicious in your first post was not that you said the villains were well versed but that you could very easily be seen as trying to generate the feeling of you being the Seer with all this talk of knowledge you have not available to us commons.

To lynch me on suspicion of being cobbler or wolf or what have you, without any definitive evidence (with the opinions seemingly being driven by my pompous aristocratic comments), is but the first step in handing over our lives to the wolves.

Definitive evidence on Day1? It's a rare treat, I must say.

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To add a little.

Today I will not be voting for Lommy, Boro, Durelin or Di.

Lommy had to vote early and she did what she could: look at the overall posting before her vote - she tried to make a reason for her vote - and even if I agree it was a bad one, it sure doesn't merit lynching. This doesn't say she could not be the wolf, but only that I can see no good reasons for her lynching toDay.

Boro felt strange and hasty in the beginning of the Day but has both gotten somewhat back to his level and given a good explanation. I would hate to lose a vocal and insightful player as him this early with no good reasons.

I also agree with Boro about Durelin, after the few unsettling first posts she seems to be productive and helpful. Surely we can't afford losing her with no good reasons.

Diamond really made me worried in the beginning too, but now she seems to be making very good points.

As I've always said... In doubt vote for those who do not contribute because they don't help the village but may be devils in disguise.

But we still have time to come up with some reasons to vote.