WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[Farael]

Originally Posted by CaptainofDespair

*sighs*

Farael, I'm not going to answer your ridiculous post point by point, as there is no...well...point. I will say one thing, however. You, and quite a few others, have taken my first posts way out of context. And, those posts are the basis for nearly every accusation against me. I was simply playing around in character, as I was quite amused by being a Pompous Nobleman. .

Alright, don't answer the questions raised by your roleplaying... that wasn't the point of my post.

Care to answer about the questions raised by your consistently suspecting those that suspect you, solely on the basis of their suspicions? The way I see it, that has nothing to do with roleplaying and yet it is my biggest problem with your playing so far.

[CaptainofDespair]

Originally Posted by Farael

Alright, don't answer the questions raised by your roleplaying... that wasn't the point of my post.

Care to answer about the questions raised by your consistently suspecting those that suspect you, solely on the basis of their suspicions? The way I see it, that has nothing to do with roleplaying and yet it is my biggest problem with your playing so far.

You really want to know why? Here's why: Because I feel like it.

You really must come to understand that. I am not going to look for 'evidence'. There is none. Everything that you or anyone else comes up with is based on how you feel about certain things (for example, your own feeling, Farael, that there is a connection between Durelin, Boromir, and myself). You have no actual evidence. And you know what, I'm going on feeling as well.

So unless you come up with actual proof I'm a wolf, it's all just about how you feel that's at the core of the matter. And that is how my voting goes. I don't like being suspected, and I don't enjoy having to waste my time defending myself again and again, day after day. So I will vote for those that attack me and hope I can get rid of them. If they back off, so will I.

Either accept it, or don't. I no longer care whether you, or anyone else, does or not.

[Diamond18]

Boro, I'm a little confused about two things in your post.

I don't know if lynching Naria or CoD would be the best thing either. As I have yet to see why either of them our wolves. Grant it, I think it would clear away this Rune thing, if neither of them are wolves what good does that do?

Right now, the best clue about anything that I can see is the connection between Rune's death and Rune's posting, and that points to Naria as a wolf and CoD as an innocent, or vice versa, depending on how you interpret the wolves' kill psychology.

I forget who pointed it out, but wolves would gladly make a sacrifice to nab the Seer....especially when the Seer is the only gifted in the village and the wolves have the amount of success they have had so far.

'Twould be me who made that point. Does this mean you're in agreement that the wolves thought Rune a likely seer? Or wanted us to think they thought Rune a seer? If so, why do you not see why Naria (or CoD) could be a wolf?

At any rate, I'm going to stick with my plan from earlier and go ahead with my vote:

++Naria

[Boromir88]

Right now, the best clue about anything that I can see is the connection between Rune's death and Rune's posting, and that points to Naria as a wolf and CoD as an innocent, or vice versa, depending on how you interpret the wolves' kill psychology.

That all relies on the belief that you think the wolves believed Rune to be the Seer. I don't think so.

My point to objection of lets lynch one of these two to figured out the wolves plan and what they thought about Rune is don't you realize this thinking could spell out the end of us. What is happening today is a focus has gone on two individuals, there are 10 people in this village, which means you are ignoring 8 for today.

This idea just spells out disaster for me. What happens if the wolves are snickering as their plan has worked and we are crying for a lynching of two innoncents? Again we can't make the same mistakes we have done the first two days, and we don't have a lot of room left for error.

Let's say Naria is lynched and she's innocent, what does this prove? Does this prove that CoD is a wolf? No it doesn't, but what do we do?

It's completely possible, I am absolutely wrong here and that one, or even both, are wolves. But this idea of lets lynch one of them today is dangerous...especially if both are innocent. The focus that has gone on these two is dangerous, as you have ignored 80% of the people in this village...which I fear is falling right into the wolves plan.

'Twould be me who made that point. Does this mean you're in agreement that the wolves thought Rune a likely seer? Or wanted us to think they thought Rune a seer? If so, why do you not see why Naria (or CoD) could be a wolf?

No, I don't. I was pointing out that Farael's reasoning of if the wolves believed Rune was the seer, and he had named one of them, they would not have killed him. I was agreeing with the point made that wolves would gladly sacrifice one of their own if they feld they had the seer.

I don't think the wolves thought Rune was the seer. I think they indeed thought he was the Cobbler. Again, a cobbler can be just as effective dead as a live one. Looking at how today's gone so far, I think the wolves plan has gone all too well.

We're focusing on two people, ignoring the rest of the village, and basing our suspicions off of some flimsy reasoning. If I am convinced CoD or Naria is a wolf, I will vote for one of them. But right now I have a big fear the wolves are sitting back snickering as their two victims are in place for a lynch.

[Thinlómien]

A horrible idea just occured to me: what if Noggie and Boro are two of our three remaining wolves?

[Nogrod]

Okay.

We can afford only one bad lynch. Not more. If we lynch an innocent toDay and toMorrow, we're dead all.

And everything surely looks quite confusing for now.

That also means that our Seer should think of the situation and consider the pros and cons of acting out. Surely it's her/his decision and s/he only knows whether it's worth it (is there information or not?).

But if we miss it toDay, then s/he will be our last hope - if alive...


I tend to agree with Boro here (no Lommy, it's not that, at least in my case) that the wolves made a good kill as all the discussion has been centered around a couple of people. We shouldn't try to discuss everyone all the time as that would just break off but surely we could spread this discussion a bit!

I'll promise to give it a try.

[Durelin]

It is quite possible that both are innocent, and possible that both are wolves.

But what do you suggest instead, Boro? You say that there are still 80% of us that aren't being looked at. But who of the 80% are you looking at?

I don't think the wolves thought Rune was the seer. I think they indeed thought he was the Cobbler.

Why would they think he was the Cobbler? CoD was looking like the Cobbler, with my pitiful voting record, they could have thought me to be the Cobbler. I thought Gurthang seemed Cobbler-like. Rune looked no more like the cobbler than anyone else. Maybe they did feel that maybe he was the Cobbler, but there's hardly so much reason for that as there is for them to view him either as a possible Seer, or simply as another pretty quiet person they wanted to lynch to continue their pattern, and secure the goal that you cited: leaving the loud ones to go for each others' throats.

Perhaps that was their only plan, though. Maybe the wolves were feeling quite well, taking out one by one the silent types and throwing the village into confusion. As Nogrod has pointed out, their killing pattern suggests that they felt pretty secure. And yet, why didn't they kill Naria or Volo before Rune? Maybe it was a random choice, or maybe it was the fact that no one really suspected Rune. No one was after Volo too much, either, though...and yesterday, though Naria got attention, we were all quite prepared to let her go for the time being.

But Rune's accusations make him stand out: not because of who he accused, but because of how he did it - with seemingly the utmost certainty. I can see why the wolves would be afraid he was the Seer. If the Seer knew for certain who one or two of the wolves were, might they risk being killed if they felt the village was in danger if they waited much longer? I think the wolves, at least, thought it quite possible that the Seer would act in such a way.

I will probably vote for either CoD or Naria, because I really do feel it is the best way to clear things up. If whoever we lynch turns out innocent...well, it will be a more difficult decision tomorrow whether or not to take our chances and lynch the other.

Volo has caught my attention with his really...weird...reasoning. I may end up voting for CoD myself, but I do not understand why he talks about how Nogrod seems innocent (and bases it largely on that other people have assumed him innocent since the start of the game) - but mentions that he doesn't like on of his lists and his vote for Anguirel on Day One - and then discusses how Farael seems innocent as well, only to vote for CoD. Huh? Too bad he seems to have disappeared again. And I suppose I'll have to cut him some slack because he seemed to be in a rush.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I tend to agree with Boro here (no Lommy, it's not that, at least in my case) that the wolves made a good kill as all the discussion has been centered around a couple of people. We shouldn't try to discuss everyone all the time as that would just break off but surely we could spread this discussion a bit!

What bothers me is that both you and Boro are saying we should spread the discussion, and yet neither of you have ventured to share with us who you feel it should be spread to. Those of us who are innocent do not know who should be considered and who shouldn't be, so simply saying we should spread our focus encompasses just about everyone. Being narrow-minded isn't good, I agree, but I had problems with Naria before Rune's death, and we've all had problems with CoD since Day One. If there is someone you feel is quite suspicious, I'd love to hear more ideas.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'll promise to give it a try.

Ah, sorry. I look forward to it.

I know there are things I missed, but this post is already too long.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Durelin

I know there are things I missed, but this post is already too long.

In this village, I'd rather hear all people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make.

I'm quite confused and clueless at the moment. I will probably vote Naria, since I believe she's a wolf (based on Rune's death). Other than her, I have no real suspects and that is no good. The wolves are still all alive and there's three o' them, so having just one suspect quite sucks.

Boromir still gives me a bad feeling. I know I can't put my finger on it, but he disturbs me. And the whole idea of making a Borolysis horrifies me... (and probably Noggie too, who shares the computer and is currently in two ww-games... )

Durelin, Farael, Valier, Di and Noggie all make sense and seem quite innocent (Farael and Durelin mainly based on their latest long posts, Valier, Noggie and Di more generally). They're all people I'm not very suspicious of. Now this is no good either since that is half of the village. (Of course one could argue that if I find five people innocentish + know I'm innocent myself, 3/4 of the ones left must be wolves if I'm right and I should be just happy of having narrowed my worry-about list quite effectively... )
I see I'm making a mess of this, so simply put: I find these people innocentish but I feel uncomfortable with narrowing my suspect list with this big a group in this situation (7 of us against 3 of them), so I won't be doing it. If any of you is a wolf I congratulate for a convincing innocentishness.

So, with the innocentish five, innocent myself, vaguely suspicious Boro and suspicious Naria I'm left with Volo and CoD, of which at least one should be guilty if I'm correct about the innocentish five (which I'm not assuming). I don't particularly suspect Volo and CoD seems either mislead/-taken-innocentish or quite wolvish.The problem is that CoD being guilty kind of ruins the theory based on which I regard Naria suspicious... Hey! What if (I just realised there's a possibility of this) the wolves thought Rune to be seer (since he nailed Nariawolf) and assumed that seer-Rune's another dream was of a dead one and decided to kill him both to eliminate a possible seer and making CoD look innocent for the village. Now that I've put it "into paper" it seems quite unpossible (and I'm not even sure if it tactically makes sense), but we shouldn't forget the possibility. If that was the cause indeed, Rune was an ideal pick for them.

So, if I was to guess who the remaining wolves are, I'd say Naria, Boro and CoD or Volo, but I'm far from assured.

If you understood anything of this post or it made sense to you, I congratulate, for I see I managed to make it very confusing (but unfortunately I can't make it any clearer, blame either a freaky way of thinking and expressing thoughts or broken English...) ...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by me

In this village, I'd rather hear all people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make.

I'm not sure if this can be understood, anyway, what I meant was "In this village, I'd rather hear all what people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make" or "In this village, I'd rather hear everything people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make".

[Durelin]

Another thing I noticed about Volo:

Originally Posted by Volo

Of Farael I'll just say that the long post itself is reassuring and I doubt that most wolves would write something like that, for that I really feel like voting ++CoD.

That was yesterday...

But now he thinks CoD is innocent? Perhaps he was swayed by CoD's vote for Naria.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Boro

2) The wolves as Lommy points out believed Rune was the seer and this would put a mark on Naria and Volo...as those seem to be the two people he 'suspected' the most. This begs the again, just exactly how much reliablity can we put in Rune's 'suspicions?'

Volo, too...but he didn't get nearly so much attention as Naria. Boro was kind enough to bring him up, though...

(These are just general observations which I hope might be helpful...and I'm posting them as I find them, as obnoxious as that might be...)