WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[Nogrod]

Just to inform you...

I need to get something to eat, but after that I will sit by my computer and read through Boro's posts precedeng yesterDay.

Let's go hunt one wolf!

That's heroic Lommy (if you're not a wolf) - that's almost as heroic (were you the last remaining lycanthrope)!

[Volo]

Yes yes, I'm here, for once I have time to look through the game to find sense in something. Wouldn't want to die innocent the day I have time to write something...

EDIT: Nah, sorry, I forgot that I have to go out now. I hope that it won't take too much time and I'll post something with more sense later. Working on CoD right now, and he doesn't seem wolfish.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Volo

Working on CoD right now, and he doesn't seem wolfish.

Just a really quick post, I have a lab report due this afternoon and I still have two little details to write. The introduction and the conclussion...

If CoD does not seem wolfish, why 'work' on him? I think we are fairly pressed to find whoever IS the wolf, we cannot possibly prove anyone to be innocent now that our Seer is dead, so we should try to find the guilty ones, not make cases for someone else's innocence.

That really seems wolfish to me, as the wolf (duh) knows that whoever he claims to be innocent WILL be innocent thus making him look good.

[CaptainofDespair]

I am sorry for not posting at 'dawn'. I felt that, considering what transpired the day before, I am more of a distraction than an aid.

Anywho, I am suspicious of Volo and Valier.

Volo, apparently, is doing what I am doing, in saying nothing of substance and being rather shifty (in my opinion, of course). I'm not sure whether we should lynch him first or not. Though I am all for lynching him.

Valier, on the other hand, has proven to be just as odd, in my mind. But I can't quite put my finger on it (I'd rather use the iron fist of justice, anyhow).

I'm torn, between these two. I'd very much like to get rid of both of them and see what happens. But since I can't, I'll probably side with Volo, who sits a bit more uneasily with me at this point.

[Nogrod]

Borolysis under construction and coming soon. It's quite a job I must say but interesting things to follow...

[Nogrod]

Borolysis Part I

I’m trying to restrict this to those remarks that have something to do with people alive here, but I can’t promise that if something interesting shows up...


DAY1
#10

I'm always the red-shirted Mr. Johnson that travels with Kirk, Spock, and Mccoy, on an expeditionary team and ends up dying...so I'm looking at our Mr. Shatner over there.

The infamous point towards Durelin that I think went to arouse discussion, rather misinterpreted, more like in-character banter, I would say.

#25

Thinlo...I really am having trouble understanding your logic...

I mean I know it's Day 1 and all, and we all are grasping at straws here. But honestly CoD is one of the most innocent looking people (at least to me). Really he is the only one that has spoken some decent sense to me so far (see above quote [eg. keeping an eye on Farael and Durelin]), instead of complete bilge. I won't cast my vote for somebody that's been trying to make some sense out of the non-sensical Day 1's.

So questioning Lommy’s logic, Defending CoD and agreeing with keeping an eye on Farael.

Now this looks interesting...
#31

Yes, the wolves do like to get out there and get the village turning (right now, for me, Nogrod, Anguirel, and CoD would fall under here). However, I wouldn't put it past at least one of the wolves to say very little (if anything at all) on Day 1...while one or both of their buddies go out and get their hands dirtied.

On those three above, I probably won't vote for any of them, today...though Nogrod looks the most dangerous (of the three). His suspicion of CoD looks a little bold for a wolf to make, but with his family history I wouldn't put anything past him. So, I guess you could say I'll be watching Nogrod.

So first of all he makes himself to look suspicious (among two known innocents and CoD). Then he declares that at least one wolf would be silent (Naria! – at least). Then he suspects me because what I’ve said about CoD – so again defending him and / or using him as a reason to suspect me mildly.

#46

I've seen those types of 'playful' interactions between wolves on Day 1 before. Where the wolves joke around and have this interaction going on...hence why I thought you seemed to be making the most sense out of anybody....and why I too am suspicious of Farael and Durelin. Now with you backing away, after seemingly the concensus was you were barking up the wrong tree, and has ultimately caused you to fall under some scrutiny, you have fallen back in my eyes.

I do find Durelin and Farael's interactions today quite troubling...as this attitude of 'playfulness' is not uncommon or unheard of for wolves to do on Day 1. I've witnessed it between wolf partners before and is not something that I take lightly or simply cast aside as nonsensical rubbish.

First he goes to agree with CoD in reasoning about his innocence, then comes the quote above. I’m not quite sure what it means. But surely in the end he comes back suspecting Farael and Durelin again.

After Durelin notified Boro’s not-normal behaviour he posted the following:
#50

Durelin, you're last two posts may have saved a vote from me at least for today. Looks quite observant and a bit helpful to me, if I may say so. You have correctly noticed that I have not been my usual self...due to various factors such as lack of time, lack of sleep, and lack of substantial stuff to comment on. Honestly, everything I've said is everything I felt was worth commenting on...

Thence he absolved Durelin and voted for Farael.


DAY2
#83

Durelin the one that's raising the biggest eyebrows for me. I'm not used to see this talkative Durelin that is seemingly coming out here in the wee hours of the morning to try to sway the village in the direction the wolves want it to go in. Something just doesn't seem right, here. I was wary of the interaction with Durelin and Farael yesterday, and Durelin has only heigtened my suspicion of that.

The more I think about it the more this makes sense. I find no particular reason to suspect CoD, and I really didn't get what the big fuss over Anguirel was about. This would make the Rikae kill work in their benefit to give us no direction on where to look...yet the wolves may have come out here trying to make it look like Rikae was on to something...and send us all in the wrong direction.

So he turned against Durelin again (no mention of Farael here). Yet defending CoD and indeed suggesting that the wolves would have killed Rikae to make us suspect CoD – and thence being in the wrong tracks!!!

#97

I agree with Ang in that if Lommy was a wolf she made a very safe wolve vote. However, the vast majority of the time a wolf doesn't vote first, they like to wait around and see what the village is thinking a bit before they choose. Also, what Lommy's said today makes her look innocent to me.

Volo just scares me because of his inactivity and his few confusing posts with some type of foreign language (German?). He could be the cobbler, but I don't have enough to go off of, besides the fact that he was confusing, and still is baffling me.

He looks at the CoD/Ang voters, ending up suspecting Durelin and Gurthang. Vote to Gurthang follows... So “assuming” again CoD innocent? He notifies Volo the first time in the game here and only says the above. Hmm...?


DAY3
#146

I have gone through Rune's posts. There are a few possibilities running through my head.

1) The wolves killed Rune to confuse us even further and continue us spiralling in circles. It may have worked better than they intended as it just so happens they kill the cobbler...so exactly how much info can we get out of Rune's posts?

2) The wolves as Lommy points out believed Rune was the seer and this would put a mark on Naria and Volo...as those seem to be the two people he 'suspected' the most. This begs the again, just exactly how much reliablity can we put in Rune's 'suspicions?'

I'm growing wary of Lommy over there whom is pushing the wolves must have believed Rune was the seer, and claims she knows exactly why he was killed...because of his comments. This rings some alarms in my head. Such narrow-minded thinking into believing only one 'right answer' is dangerous. If you are innocent, you should open your mind a bit.

Now interesting stuff again... He really tries to make us believe there is no value in going through Rune’s posting as it would mean that Naria (a wolf) and Volo would look bad. So he was defending a wolf-Naria. The question remains whether he was also defending his other mate? And where did Volo drop in her from anyway? What Lommy said was that if Rune was a seer then Naria would be bad and CoD good. Could it be that Rune said to trust or feel innocent or not having an idea about all others but:

Originally Posted by Rune

Volo i am uneasy about. . .I will let him be today though (because he is not pressent)
Naria is a wolf and need to be delt with (meaning I suspect her)

It’s also interesting to see that when Lommy seemed to hit the right track he calls it narrow-minded... worthy of suspicion even? Or was he trying to teach a fellow-wolf some manners (indirectly saying to her: do not continue that line, we’re in danger here)?

In #153 he spends a considerable amount of energy to make us buy the version that Rune was a cobbler and killed because of that. Looks to me that he was even more intent to defend Naria (and Volo?). Anyhow he wishes us to leave the Rune-issue behind us and pressures us – we have no more time for mistakes so let’s go forwards. Saying: lynching Naria or CoD not good ideas. So trying to take back the slipped notion on Volo here?

Was it that pressurising then? So both wolves there?

He also calls Farael hasty and declines the trio Durelin, CoD, Boro, complaining that we should get one wolf first before going after any trios...

In #160 he continues objecting to the Rune-theory and says we are on a slippery road as we concentrate on two people only (a good argument, even if its made by a wolf). He calls it dangerous indeed! So he really wishes us to turn from that road (killing Naria or CoD – Volo has now totally dropped from the talk)

#172

The main person being Farael whom I'm highly suspicious of.

For some others. Lommy worried me at the beginning of the day, but lately that's lessened quite a bit...

The other person that I'm growing more concerned about is Volo, who seemingly is all over the place. First he says Nogrod is too bold to be a wolf as he is coming out and establishing arguments against people. He believed a wolf would not do such a thing. (I disagreed, especially when we're talking about Nogrod). Now he's come out and said that there really is no point to Nogrod's posts.

You also ask why the wolves haven't killed so far the quiet ones like Naria or Volo. I think either:

1) Naria or Volo (or both are wolves) hence they have not been killed yet. This I think is more likely in Volo's case who is completely everywhere.

2) This I feel is more likely with Naria, she's an easy target for a lynch. Simply kill Rune to get people to think the wolves believed he was the seer and the people will cry Naria's a wolf...lynch her. Hence, why she hasn't been killed, as she hasn't been feeling well and presumably not be able to put up much of a defense. Which would benefit the wolves in two ways to keep her around. It would first create a crisis of uncertainty in the village. Do we think Naria's a wolf? Eventhough she's been under the weather, this doesn't mean she isn't a wolf, yet we feel bad if she turns out to be innocent. But do to the circumstances, we actually won't know until Naria is lynched. The other benefit again, an easy lynch candidate for the next day.

I would much rather see Farael lynched. However, if it comes down to it, I will vote for Naria to save CoD. CoD seems more valuable to have than Naria. Regrettably Naria is not feeling well, but because of this she isn't going to be much help and will remain a thorn in our side.

Then something like a chance in course I might say. He still seems to defend Naria but puts CoD before her! Maybe he was feeling the need to distance himself from Naria as he saw that the village might indeed lynch her?

#176

Farael I also feel more comfortable voting for instead of CoD or Naria, but we have to know what we're going to do, so we nor the wolves can botch anything here at the end.

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Part II with some summary-notes and ideas to follow (those comments of mine above are only preliminary remarks that I thought while reading through Boro's posting.

[Valier]

I'm here, I have a few hours today to be around, so I would like to hear more from everyone.....oh wait Volo forgot he had to go out Convenient.

Today Volo looks the most odd, but I am still unwilling to just let CoD go again another day. I just can't shake this odd feeling I have about him. Volo has not contributed much at all and seems to be just confusing...I'm not sure yet. I would like to hear more from you CoD if you are around.

Nogrod, since you are the only known innocent...what are your thoughts? I don't know if all this Boro analysis will get us anywhere, even thought Farael seems to want to keep Nogrod busy with that task today, which I thought was odd...Farael you already asked Noggie to do an analysis, and today you post first and again ask Nog to do it....hmmmmm Trying to keep his attention else where? I know I'm a bit all over, but this is a very hard day and I find everyone at least a bit suspicious, I just must figure out who is the most.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Farael

If CoD does not seem wolfish, why 'work' on him? I think we are fairly pressed to find whoever IS the wolf, we cannot possibly prove anyone to be innocent now that our Seer is dead, so we should try to find the guilty ones, not make cases for someone else's innocence.

You do have to "work" on someone to see if he/she is a wolf... And CoD was the person I chose to be the first.
Today is the first day I mind if I die or not, but don't you think that my last post yesterday would have been a good move from a wolf, who seem to be staying in the shadows otherwise... Ok, me noting that first does make it sound wolfish...

[Nogrod]

Borolysis Part II

About Naria, his fellow wolf he said nothing before Day3 as Durelin questioned him on leaving her out from his analysis (he had a good explanation to it, though, but only said he would come to her in time...). After that “the Rune-theory” was proposed by Lommy. He went fiercly against it and tried to sway us to look otherwise eg. defended Naria without never kind of making any straight comments about her. In the end he somewhat half-heartedly said he would vote Naria before CoD, but would stick to Farael (or seemingly almost anyone else).

Nota bene. Another one he actually said nothing about was Valier. Probably (I’m not 100% sure but this is near the only thing at least – I’ll check it if I have time for it) the only thing on Valier was in #153 where he defended Valier’s reasoning concerning the Cobbler-Rune -theory.

What I mean here?

Farael he was attacking all the time, relentlessly. CoD he defended with the same vigour. Lommy too was in his posts every once in a while, going like an elevator up and down in suspicion. I’m bent to consider all three innocent as Boro is well aware of the fact that those who are talked of end up in the gallows more often than those we do not speak.

Volo he was also very quiet about. He did note that Volo was scary and baffling him. Somehow he also put Volo in the middle of the Rune-theory discussion but as soon drew him away from it. In the end he started voicing growing concern of him (even though with quite vague reasons).

What to make of it?

On the light of Boro’s posting (see: on the basis of his posting – there are other considerations too and I will go to them as soon as I can)

I’m pretty sure Farael is innocent, just because how relentlessly Boro attacked him.

Of the others I’m not so sure any more.

Lommy is hard to judge based on Boro’s posting but because she came up with the idea that in the end killed Naria and we can read Boro’s frustration with it, I might tend to believe her innocent too.

CoD I would think innocent rather than a baddie as he could be Boro’s innocent pal here. So Boro buying trust with someone who retaliates for every distrust? But this could actually be a great bluff too (a wolf highly defending another would be unheard of and nicely cleaning the other if one dies!).

Volo might be a wolf as he was considerably little mentioned in his posts and the mild suspicions were just enough to look earnest but not too damning. His last growing concern might have been a trick (as he saw that Naria was in trouble and he needed to distance himself from them both) or then not. I think there is no good evidence either way on Volo here.

Based on Boro’s posting Valier looks the most suspicious with similar pattern by Naria. Being silent about. No one can be sure though that Boro would treate both his fellows in villainy the same way...

But as I said, this according to Boro’s posting. I’ll go to other things soon...

[Volo]

CoD

Day1

#3 His famous seerish in character talk.

#13 In character defending Durelin. Suggests to keep an eye on Farael and Durelin.

#37 Says in character that he’s innocent. Suspects Lommy.

#40 Good reasoning why he can’t be a cobbler, and he’s not. Suspects Naria, Nogrod, Durelin, Farael and Lommy.

#42 Tells that he was just going to keep an eye on Farael and Durelin, did he? Tells that he’s attacked just for being in character.

#49 Tells that his first post was just an in character post. Leaves Durelin and Farael because he doesn’t find anything needed saying about them.

#53 Once again tells that his first post was in character. Is suspicious of Naria, Lommy, Durelin and Farael. Says that he had reason to defend Durelin. Doesn’t suspect Durelin (?). Votes Lommy for voting CoD.

Day2

#81 Isn’t suspicious of Lommy anymore, because Lommy isn’t suspicious of CoD. Is suspicious of Durelin, because she suspects CoD.

#99 Agrees with Boromir’s reasonings about Gurthang being suspicious. The same thing about Lommy not being suspicious. Doesn’t find enough information about Naria and Farael to say anything.

#111 Doesn’t like Naria’s reasonless vote for him. Wants to vote either Gurthang or Naria.

#118 Votes Naria because she voted him without reason.

Day3

#134 Isn’t a cobbler. Suspects Naria because Rune voted her.

#137 Suspects Naria even more. Sees a pattern of killing the quiet.

#149 Calls Farael’s long CoD research ridiculous (I rather liked it). Is even more sure about lynching Naria.

#158 CoD makes this one rather interesting (to me): he tells that he’s playing by feeling, yes that doesn’t have much sense if we want to win, but that’s how an innocent not really caring would do. I don’t know if CoD cares but thins makes him feel innocent to me.

#170 Has to leave so votes Naria

#183 ”Go ahead and lynch me. But nothing under my rock will you find.”

Day4

#190 Wants to look at Farael, though Valier does present a tempting choise.

#192 Agrees with Nogrod about Boromir’s strange vote for Farael. Says that killing the quiet players would reveal the wolves too much (and is right with me being the last one of those).

#214 Votes known wolf Boromir and says that he won’t be putting anymore defenses on himself.

#218 Agrees with Valier that he won’t be defending himself because he can’t, nobody will believe.

#220 Either CoD is a really great wolf, he is innocent, proven by this post. Now this is how I feel, he neither had any hopes of surviving so far.

#229 Farael suspects CoD. CoD: ” You have two options: Take me at my word, and go on trying to find the last wolf, or lynch me and waste more time. The latter, of course, will spell your own doom.”

So:

This all CoD suspecting started from a really little mistake he made, that was a reason to be lynched on day one, but otherwise he doesn't seem wolf. He has been defending himself mostly and playing with feeling, not really caring if he died. He has sure said more than me, and maybe I say so about CoD as that is how I felt myself. I have thought about CoD being a wolf too for not having time for better thoughts, but now I think we both are innocent in a similar way.

Thanks for the Borolysis Nogrod. There is not a single time mentioned the word Valier in it and that is suspicious, of course Boromir is a skilled player and can bluff well, but... I'll read of Valier next.

EDIT: xd with Nogrod, that's what I'm also (trying to) saying

[Volo]

Valier

Day1

#21 (I like your profession, not that I’d want to meet a person like that), Anyway: Valier’s first post with in character stuff and telling that she’ll have little time that day. (The word ”Valier” wasn’t mentioned a single time on that page after that one post)

#64 Ok, in the end of page two she is there to say that she is there…

#72 Votes late for Diamond, because of her strange vote (which wasn’t actually that strange) and because Valier can’t deside whom to vote from CoD and Anguirel. A rather wolfish move.

#74 ”It would not be fair for me to vote to kill one of the two when I haven't been around all day. i don't want to be the one looked at tomorrow because I got someone killed and they may have been inoccent.” And so she wasted a vote, or not really, others can still change their votes…

Day2 (page3)

#96 Tells that her vote was mostly random. Mostly suspects CoD, Gurthang, Volo and Nogrod (of whom two are known innocents and two unknown innocents), also suspects Farael, Naria and Rune (a unknown, a wolf and a cobbler, but she doesn’t make reasons with those). Doesn’t suspect too much: Lommy, Boro and Diamond. Doesn’t know about Durelin. So she divided her fellow wolves into the differen categories (not making reasons about Naria whom she ”suspected”.


more later... I'm off to watch Monty Python and talk with a friend I haven't seen for long. I'll be back.

[Valier]

I do find it odd that Volo said he had to go but then after I posted my post he suddenly has time to do analysis, but oh wait, he has to go and watch a movie....*sigh* His behavior is getting more and more odd as the day goes by.