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Farael · 12-21-2006, 07:51 PM

Well, Naria has spoken up a bit since, if she keeps this up she'll be safe from the "silent" category (but by no means necessarily innocent).

For now, Valier has posted little and said little in her few posts, so she'd be a ripe candidate for lynching. Furthermore, as some have brought up, she has acted somewhat suspiciously, so it might be a win-win situation.

If you want any other names, You'll have to wait until the end of the day, since for now a handful of us have spoken today.

And if you've read my arguments at all, you'd notice that what I want is a loud-speaking wolf... that's a blessing for us, since the more they talk, the more likely it is that we'll find something to pick up on and nail them. And how would I protect a quiet wolf, if I'm adamantly trying to lynch the quiet ones?

Farael · 12-21-2006, 07:53 PM

We're playing without editing, but I made a grammar error on my previous post.... where it says "For now a handful" It's supposed to be ONLY a handful.... I know, no big deal, but just in case you are finding it confusing to read.

Folwren · 12-21-2006, 08:14 PM

I do not have very long, and I am a woman of few words, but, with what little time I have, and with what few posts I scanned, this is all I have to say.

Farael, what plan do you still stand by? Lynching a quiet one? Why didn't you lynch a quiet one yesterday? Kath talked an average amount, didn't she? I talked more than the average player in this game and you voted for me. Why didn't you go after one of your quiet ones?

Mac, I didn't vote for Morm because at the moment, I was more suspicious of Farael and Farael still seems more dangerous to me. Do you mind? I am inclined to believe Morm is a cobbler rather than a wolf, if he is anything, and I am also inclined to believe that Farael is a wolf rather than a cobbler, if he is anything.

As of now, I have no comments to make on Kitanna's death. I am sorry for it, of course, but it is a safe kill for the wolves and I think there is little else to be said for it.

I have not read today's posts carefully enough to comment more. Expect me to come back in roughly 12 hours to begin reading carefully and excpet an actual post from me in about 13 hours. This evening, for the next hour, I will be flitting in and out of the room, reading if anyone posts, but probably not commenting.

-- Countess Folwren

Celuien · 12-21-2006, 08:15 PM

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And how would I protect a quiet wolf, if I'm adamantly trying to lynch the quiet ones?

I suppose Rikae was arguing that you could be using a reverse psychology tactic and annoying everyone into annoying you by not lynching silent players to protect a quiet wolf. A complicated and confusing bluff. I think that's too complicated and confusing to be a plan that would be risked by anyone trying to protect the quiet.

Keeping everyone talking definitely has merit, and I'd agree that it helps to force the wolves into picking someone who has left more clues to follow. I rely heavily on trying to trace back the wolf picks to come up with my theories, and if too many are without trails, I'm completely lost.

Besides, every loud wolvish word has the potential to be a slipped wolvish word. And that helps too.

On the other hand, I'd still prefer to vote on suspicion over participation.

Celuien · 12-21-2006, 08:15 PM

Crossed with Folwren. Nothing more to add.

Celuien · 12-21-2006, 08:19 PM

Well, actually, I do have something to add. As posted on the village notice board, I'll be away for the final hours of the day, so my vote will come a little early - about 7 hours from now. I'll be back around then with the vote and hopefully with a few more comments.

Farael · 12-21-2006, 10:33 PM

This would be comical if it wasn't our "lives" that are on the line.

To answer to Folwren I already said that at the time I voted for you, it was too early in the day and thus too early to know who was quiet and who wasn't.

To answer Rikae, only a fool would vote for a silent person if there is a better choice... but can you offer any better choices? Pick me for all I care, and then let's let this village fall into silence, and voting hour turn into a random challenge where you vote for the one you like the least and pray that it also happens to be a wolf.

What I am proposing is not to lynch the silent ones all throughout the game, but to lynch them now when there are no better leads! Do you have a better lead? Be my guest, follow it, even if it means you arguing that I'm a wolf (and I guarantee you, I'm not).

But, Until we have some more solid evidence to work on, why not get rid of those that'll come back to haunt us later?

When there is one wolf left among two "talkers" and two "silent ones", what will you do? Lynch at talker and there'll be no discussion on the last (and most important) Day. Lynch a silent one and the last thing you hear may be a loud laugh, while the loud wolf kills you that night and then manipulates his way into a victory the day after.

Let's take that facet of the game while there is time! By ridding ourselves of the silent ones early on, we both bid our time and colect evidence so that later on the game we have something to work on!

Look, my plan is a "long-term" solution... sure, at first we might err, but the longer the game goes on, the harder it becomes for a wolf in the spotlight not to trip over his/her own tounge. That's where we capitalize in our loud-mouthed smarts and kill them!!

Farael · 12-21-2006, 10:34 PM

And I wanted to add.... I do not propose lynching the "most silent villager" every day and so pray that at some point we'll get the wolves.

My plan is "lynch the silent villagers while there are no better leads". And honestly, so far I haven't found anything that points me towards a likely wolf, or a likely cobbler for that matter.

Valier · 12-21-2006, 10:42 PM

Farael your plan to me seems to have little merit. I don't consider myself to be a quiet villager, I just need time to adjust to the game and get a feel for people. This is how I have always played. Your plan includes who? me? Am I your only suspect? And why? Because I am slightly quiet and because Other people suspect me. What if you are wrong and you kill all us "silent" ones and we turn out to be Ordos, then you lose out on our help later on. Also your plan does not include the Cobblers, which I think it should. A Cobblers job is to be loud and confusing and would most certainly set up a plan to get as many innocent villagers killed as they can. Your planning and scheming seem pretty fishy to me.

Holbytlass · 12-22-2006, 08:15 AM

Mormegil:I believe he is the first to point out Valier as being odd and since others have joined that thinking, all I can say at this point is if Valier is found to be a baddie of some sort than kudos to Morm and I will find it hard to find him a baddie as there are only 2 wolves. Not a lot of wiggle room to oust a fellow badguy. Morm changes vote from Rikae to Valier being consistent with his feeling, likes to vote early-the safest voting of all

Farael:He is being consistent with himself as far as lockjawing on something and not letting go. This time it's a plan instead of a person. I still find him innocent at this moment but as I said about ready made quiet wolves to fly under the radar, "ready made" can apply to anyone who can keep being themselves as a baddie. his vote for Folwren is consistent and a safe early vote

Rikae:She feels right to me for now. Putting forth thoughts and counterthoughts on people and ideas-not in a way as to make confusion. vote for Kitanna consistent, did put Kit in a tie with Morm and Kath. Just seems too redundant for Rikae to be a wolf to put another person in a 3 way tie then kill them that night

Nogrod: good feelings from him, unless he is so adamant of pinpointing the way others look wolvish as to deflect suspicion from himself (o'course is what a wolf wants) but feels more like a detective helping the ball. did put Kath (now known innocent) in tie with Morm, so unless he was protecting Morm his vote consistent

Lalwende:She is clever but still a newbie to the dance. she was first to vote for Kitanna. she feels to me to be acting more like a newbie ordo than a newbie wolf-unless her wolf partner is giving great advice

Naria:by her actions-a bit defensive, and while stating her oppositions to Farael's plan (nothing wrong wwith that) doesn't really add to it and mostly her late/add another person vote seem suspicious.

Macaulare:his vote puts Kath in the first tie with Morm, is a safe 2nd vote for someone -with plenty of others still left to vote. could be having a not too obvious but there sparing with Nogrod to seperate the two?

Celuien:The only thing that jumps at me is that Celuien votes Morm (2nd vote-only5th voter) then he turns and votes her today, maybe another possible sparing wolf partners

Valier:she does seem overly defencive, her vote for Farael is consistent

Eomer:I just don’t have a good vibe on Eomer can’t really pinpoint it yet. His vote of course makes sense-he was already against Kath

Cailin:I don’t find her suspicious at all, hope she’s on our side-always picks up on other possible scenarios about dancers

Folwren: she’s on my middle ground, she was most suspicious of Farael but it can be seen as an easy/safe vote to add another dancers name to an already full card when other suspects are already on

These are my thoughts for now. Must go and catch up with latest posts, so much to juggle...

Rikae · 12-21-2006, 08:16 PM

What I mean is, a cobbler-Farael may be trying, rather blatently, to distract us from a non-quiet wolf; or, in a sublter but riskier plan, getting us all to argue against a seemingly outrageous plan and therefore overlook a quiet wolf.
Either way, Farael may be up to something.

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Originally Posted by Farael

For now, Valier has posted little and said little in her few posts, so she'd be a ripe candidate for lynching. Furthermore, as some have brought up, she has acted somewhat suspiciously, so it might be a win-win situation.

The other person I mentioned. Hmm.. a little too convenient?

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Originally Posted by Farael

And if you've read my arguments at all, you'd notice that what I want is a loud-speaking wolf... that's a blessing for us, since the more they talk, the more likely it is that we'll find something to pick up on and nail them.

But you don't seem interested in actually looking for a wolf among those who are talking, ie, most of us.

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Originally Posted by Farael

And how would I protect a quiet wolf, if I'm adamantly trying to lynch the quiet ones?

Maybe you knew such a plan would be distasteful to most, and would get everyone else defending the quiet ones, rather than suspecting them.

I'm sorry if this all comes off as interrogation; I'm not seriously suspecting you or anyone else at the moment, just tossing thoughts around.

EDIT: Crossed with Folwren and Celuien

12-21-2006, 07:51 PM	#1
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	Well, Naria has spoken up a bit since, if she keeps this up she'll be safe from the "silent" category (but by no means necessarily innocent). For now, Valier has posted little and said little in her few posts, so she'd be a ripe candidate for lynching. Furthermore, as some have brought up, she has acted somewhat suspiciously, so it might be a win-win situation. If you want any other names, You'll have to wait until the end of the day, since for now a handful of us have spoken today. And if you've read my arguments at all, you'd notice that what I want is a loud-speaking wolf... that's a blessing for us, since the more they talk, the more likely it is that we'll find something to pick up on and nail them. And how would I protect a quiet wolf, if I'm adamantly trying to lynch the quiet ones? __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

12-21-2006, 07:53 PM	#2
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	We're playing without editing, but I made a grammar error on my previous post.... where it says "For now a handful" It's supposed to be ONLY a handful.... I know, no big deal, but just in case you are finding it confusing to read. __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

12-21-2006, 08:15 PM	#5
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Crossed with Folwren. Nothing more to add. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

12-21-2006, 08:19 PM	#6
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Well, actually, I do have something to add. As posted on the village notice board, I'll be away for the final hours of the day, so my vote will come a little early - about 7 hours from now. I'll be back around then with the vote and hopefully with a few more comments. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

12-21-2006, 10:33 PM	#7
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	This would be comical if it wasn't our "lives" that are on the line. To answer to Folwren I already said that at the time I voted for you, it was too early in the day and thus too early to know who was quiet and who wasn't. To answer Rikae, only a fool would vote for a silent person if there is a better choice... but can you offer any better choices? Pick me for all I care, and then let's let this village fall into silence, and voting hour turn into a random challenge where you vote for the one you like the least and pray that it also happens to be a wolf. What I am proposing is not to lynch the silent ones all throughout the game, but to lynch them now when there are no better leads! Do you have a better lead? Be my guest, follow it, even if it means you arguing that I'm a wolf (and I guarantee you, I'm not). But, Until we have some more solid evidence to work on, why not get rid of those that'll come back to haunt us later? When there is one wolf left among two "talkers" and two "silent ones", what will you do? Lynch at talker and there'll be no discussion on the last (and most important) Day. Lynch a silent one and the last thing you hear may be a loud laugh, while the loud wolf kills you that night and then manipulates his way into a victory the day after. Let's take that facet of the game while there is time! By ridding ourselves of the silent ones early on, we both bid our time and colect evidence so that later on the game we have something to work on! Look, my plan is a "long-term" solution... sure, at first we might err, but the longer the game goes on, the harder it becomes for a wolf in the spotlight not to trip over his/her own tounge. That's where we capitalize in our loud-mouthed smarts and kill them!! __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

12-21-2006, 08:14 PM	#3
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I do not have very long, and I am a woman of few words, but, with what little time I have, and with what few posts I scanned, this is all I have to say. Farael, what plan do you still stand by? Lynching a quiet one? Why didn't you lynch a quiet one yesterday? Kath talked an average amount, didn't she? I talked more than the average player in this game and you voted for me. Why didn't you go after one of your quiet ones? Mac, I didn't vote for Morm because at the moment, I was more suspicious of Farael and Farael still seems more dangerous to me. Do you mind? I am inclined to believe Morm is a cobbler rather than a wolf, if he is anything, and I am also inclined to believe that Farael is a wolf rather than a cobbler, if he is anything. As of now, I have no comments to make on Kitanna's death. I am sorry for it, of course, but it is a safe kill for the wolves and I think there is little else to be said for it. I have not read today's posts carefully enough to comment more. Expect me to come back in roughly 12 hours to begin reading carefully and excpet an actual post from me in about 13 hours. This evening, for the next hour, I will be flitting in and out of the room, reading if anyone posts, but probably not commenting. -- Countess Folwren

12-21-2006, 10:34 PM	#8
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	And I wanted to add.... I do not propose lynching the "most silent villager" every day and so pray that at some point we'll get the wolves. My plan is "lynch the silent villagers while there are no better leads". And honestly, so far I haven't found anything that points me towards a likely wolf, or a likely cobbler for that matter. __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

12-21-2006, 10:42 PM	#9
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Farael your plan to me seems to have little merit. I don't consider myself to be a quiet villager, I just need time to adjust to the game and get a feel for people. This is how I have always played. Your plan includes who? me? Am I your only suspect? And why? Because I am slightly quiet and because Other people suspect me. What if you are wrong and you kill all us "silent" ones and we turn out to be Ordos, then you lose out on our help later on. Also your plan does not include the Cobblers, which I think it should. A Cobblers job is to be loud and confusing and would most certainly set up a plan to get as many innocent villagers killed as they can. Your planning and scheming seem pretty fishy to me. __________________ grand return?........

12-22-2006, 08:15 AM	#10
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	Mormegil:I believe he is the first to point out Valier as being odd and since others have joined that thinking, all I can say at this point is if Valier is found to be a baddie of some sort than kudos to Morm and I will find it hard to find him a baddie as there are only 2 wolves. Not a lot of wiggle room to oust a fellow badguy. Morm changes vote from Rikae to Valier being consistent with his feeling, likes to vote early-the safest voting of all Farael:He is being consistent with himself as far as lockjawing on something and not letting go. This time it's a plan instead of a person. I still find him innocent at this moment but as I said about ready made quiet wolves to fly under the radar, "ready made" can apply to anyone who can keep being themselves as a baddie. his vote for Folwren is consistent and a safe early vote Rikae:She feels right to me for now. Putting forth thoughts and counterthoughts on people and ideas-not in a way as to make confusion. vote for Kitanna consistent, did put Kit in a tie with Morm and Kath. Just seems too redundant for Rikae to be a wolf to put another person in a 3 way tie then kill them that night Nogrod: good feelings from him, unless he is so adamant of pinpointing the way others look wolvish as to deflect suspicion from himself (o'course is what a wolf wants) but feels more like a detective helping the ball. did put Kath (now known innocent) in tie with Morm, so unless he was protecting Morm his vote consistent Lalwende:She is clever but still a newbie to the dance. she was first to vote for Kitanna. she feels to me to be acting more like a newbie ordo than a newbie wolf-unless her wolf partner is giving great advice Naria:by her actions-a bit defensive, and while stating her oppositions to Farael's plan (nothing wrong wwith that) doesn't really add to it and mostly her late/add another person vote seem suspicious. Macaulare:his vote puts Kath in the first tie with Morm, is a safe 2nd vote for someone -with plenty of others still left to vote. could be having a not too obvious but there sparing with Nogrod to seperate the two? Celuien:The only thing that jumps at me is that Celuien votes Morm (2nd vote-only5th voter) then he turns and votes her today, maybe another possible sparing wolf partners Valier:she does seem overly defencive, her vote for Farael is consistent Eomer:I just don’t have a good vibe on Eomer can’t really pinpoint it yet. His vote of course makes sense-he was already against Kath Cailin:I don’t find her suspicious at all, hope she’s on our side-always picks up on other possible scenarios about dancers Folwren: she’s on my middle ground, she was most suspicious of Farael but it can be seen as an easy/safe vote to add another dancers name to an already full card when other suspects are already on These are my thoughts for now. Must go and catch up with latest posts, so much to juggle... __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII