Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVII - Ballroom Blitz

[Folwren]

My defense is still in progress, but because it is so close to closing time, I am going to post it as I finish paragraphs and my points. Cold and stoic as I am, I have no wish to die today. I will resign myself to my fate, if it is my fate, but until that fate is sealed, I'll talk.

Nogrod and Mac, you are my two main attackers. It seems as though they are both bothered by the fact that I added a sixth name to the list of people being voted for. To be honest, I didn't count how many people were already voted for. All I knew was that, I didn't think any of them so far were as guilty looking as Farael. Hence my vote. I do not care what anyone says. I will not vote for someone I think less guilty than another, especially when the only reason would be so that the votes are not spread out enough. I don’t think like that. As Nogrod observed (somewhat), I’m too honest. I’m no politician. I’m not a liar, either, even in these games. I haven’t lied, and I haven’t half lied. I am completely and entirely honest when I say to you, I am an innocent.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

There is a case to be made for Folwren's lycantrophy. Is it a good one? I need to think about it still... I mean cases can be made.

- If it holds that Folwren wishes not to lie even if she is a wolf her enigmaticness in the first posts and the underlining of her non-Foleyishness and the mask are points to be considered.

It holds that I do not wish to lie. I have not lied. And I will not lie. I am innocent.

- At some stages she seems to take the mask off and act passionately and emphatically. That would be veryvery wise move from a wolf as it looks good always, fair and open.

Yes, the mask must come off occasionally. Anyone who reads books knows that the most stoic of characters can the most passionate scenes in the book.

- Literally last minute defence of Kath in #126 which clearly had no chance of actually affecting the lynch of an innocent looks pretty wolvish whitewash...

Last minute because she was not in danger until the last minute! Fools, fools! I didn’t vote for her! I told you as quick as I could not to vote for her! I didn’t have time! If I had and if I had known sooner that she was in such danger, I would have spoken, I assure you!

- She seems to be very keen on defending the silent ones, even though she doesn't seem to come up with any arguments why we should not lynch them.* Why all this? Because a mate in crime is a silent one? Because trying to gain trust and goodwill of those who feel threathened by the plan without actually gaining suspicion on others (but possibly Farael)?

You want to know why I don’t want to lynch them? Because in the first game that I ever lost, we lynched a quiet person. He was one of our last homes. He hardly spoke at all, but he was our ranger. We died because we killed him.

Silent people are silent for two reasons, when they’re innocent - they can not always post because of bad or little access to computers, or they are silent habitually. These are the type the Farael is asking us to kill and this is the type that so often don’t deserve to be killed.

- Being really quick to defend herself all the time, looking a bit nervous if I may say so.

For heavens sake! If it’s not one way, it’s the other! ‘Folwren look suspicious, she didn’t defend herself from Farael’s attacks twice.’ Or it’s ‘Folwren looks suspicious, she defends herself too much.’

I'm not saying we should just lynch the silent (whoever they be now?) and I think neither is Farael. But why she wishes to exclude the possibility in principle?

Are you blind? Or are you purposefully trying to kill me on false ground? I eventually said that his plan of killing a silent one on the first or second day because there was nothing better to go on was probably a decent plan! I DID! Then Farael turns around and says I flip flopped! Good HEAVENS! A person can’t be convinced in this game to change her mind, or else she’s attacked by the same person trying to convince her to change her mind.

[Folwren]

An Edit for the above:

I meant to say he was our last hope, not our last home.

And, I also meant to say, the most stoic can have the most passionate scenes...

I think that's all.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Folwren is going way over the top here. "I'm innocent! You'll be sorry!!!" She wouldn't be registering too high on my list if she wasn't so adamant about painting herself as the victim.

Anyway, lots of interesting thoughts and useful discussion. Even if we fail today (mathematically probable) we have good stuff to look back on in the coming days.

++VALIER

If not her then Kitanna's death puzzles me greatly.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Folwren is going way over the top here. "I'm innocent! You'll be sorry!!!" She wouldn't be registering too high on my list if she wasn't so adamant about painting herself as the victim.

Oh, don't you start. At least you didn't vote for me. It's all so unjust, that's all. I can't stand injustice.

I apologize. The Countess will be taking over for Foley in a just a few minutes...

[Valier]

Mormegil-->Celuien (Cel-1)
Cailin-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-1)
Farael-->Mormegil (Cel-1, Val-1, Morm-1)
Celuien-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1)
Nogrod-->Folwren(Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1)
Holbytlass-->Macalaure (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Macalaure-->Celuien (Cel-2, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1,Mac-1)
Valier-->Celuien (Cel3, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)

Well I think today I may just have to switch my would be vote....I know this of course will make me look even worse. I believe Mac to be an Ordo and I totally follow his reasoning about Cel. I do think that Farael is more than likely a Cobbler and since me voting for Farael will do nothing to help myself or the village today.
++Celuien
To hopefully save myself for one more Dance. If you villagers feel that killing me today will help to eliminate some suspicion, go ahead. Just please take Farael or Celuien down too. Why not have a double lynch this early in the game? I would prefer to see Farael go, but the votes are leaning towards Cel. I must go now and I won't be back before the deadline. I hope you all make the right choice and I am crossing my fingers that either way you catch a bad guy.

[Valier]

Cross-posted with a few posts and Eomers vote

Mormegil-->Celuien (Cel-1)
Cailin-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-1)
Farael-->Mormegil (Cel-1, Val-1, Morm-1)
Celuien-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1)
Nogrod-->Folwren(Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1)
Holbytlass-->Macalaure (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Macalaure-->Celuien (Cel-2, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1,Mac-1)
Valier-->Celuien (Cel-3, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Eomer-->Valier (Cel-3, Val-3, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Even if we fail today (mathematically probable) we have good stuff to look back on in the coming days.

Just wanted to add that it is always mathematically probable to lynch an innocent. The moment it no longer is, the wolves have won.

[Folwren]

The Countess gathers her feelings back to her. The blood, that rose so quickly to her face, slowly drained again, leaving her as pale as before.

I understand the difficulties you may be having in believing my innocense, Nogrod. When anyone looks deep enough into anyone’s posting, you can usually find questionable stuff, because in this game, there are no certainties.

I honor and admire the way you put the case together so well. You’re good at that. A good friend, but a terrible enemy to have. I hope that someday, you will not be my enemy.

I have nothing more to say in defense of myself. I have answered all that I believe is pertinent.

I’m still going to vote for Farael today. Of everyone, he’s the one I suspect the most. Valier, I am uncertain about, and I always loath hopping onto what appears to be a bandwagon.

++Farael

Do not expect me around any more today.

[Lalwendë]

Well going by my powers of deduction as displayed in Post 175 and then reversing them, adding a little bit of suspicion and reading between the lines and stirring with a heavy wooden spoon at boiling point, I am voting for:

++Valier

What finally swung it for me was this display of fangs:

Originally Posted by Valier

To hopefully save myself for one more Dance.

Note, my fellow whimpering, fearful Downers, the big pointy teeth in that smiley. A spirited defence and one that could touch the heart, and if I am wrong then I shall be wracked with guilt, but having read through today's posts I am convinced. Note that if wrong, this does give one some particularly good leads...

[Macalaure]

To leave a bucket o' trails:


Rikae - looks quite innocent

Lalwendë - feels innocent

mormegil - I feel him innocent, but that might change tomorrow, who knows...

Cailín - no hunch whatsoever

Valier - slight suspicion of cobblerdom. I want her to speak sense toMorrow

Folwren - suspicious, but her defence was soo over the top that I can no longer think of her as a wolf. Slight suspicion of cobblerhood.

Holbytlass - nothing exceptionally wolvish, but also nothing exceptionally innocent. I will take a close look at her once I run out of better suspects

Vorgram of the Gaurhoth - too nice and uncontroversial for my taste. Could be anything

Naria - question mark. Could be anything.

Nogrod - Analysing Nogrod is a hard day's work, maybe toMorrow. One post looks perfectly innocent, one horribly guilty.

Farael - I don't see mush sense in his plans. Looks most cobblerish of all.

Celuien - purposefully uncontroversial, tries to be nice to everyone, looks helpful but isn't, flies under the radar by being so friendly, most suspicious


*holds up sign saying: LYNCH CELUIEN*

[Macalaure]

Valier 4
Celuien 3

Left to vote: Rikae and Naria (correct me if I'm wrong)

Your own words, Rikae:

the avoidence of a topic or person will be the red flag

Rikae, Naria: Read (or skim) Celuien's posts again with this in mind.

[Macalaure]

Ten minutes to deadline in a game with retractable votes!!

Speak up if you haven't voted yet!

Speak up if you voted for someone who isn't going to make it!

Foley, Holby, Nogrod, Farael! If you're still around, participate!

[Rikae]

Well, it's down to the choice of Valier and Celuien; if I vote for Cel, it leaves the choice to Naria - which would be interesting.

Or I can vote for somebody else and leave Naria the choice of Valier or a double lynch.

Mac's case against Cel seems like a shot in the dark; sure, she's played it safe, but so have Holby, Cailin, Mac and Nogrod (who is his usual self, nothing more).

If Cel is innocent, Mac's your wolf.


++Macalaure

Let's see what Naria chooses.

EDIT cross posted w/ Naria

[Naria]

I will go with whom I think is the most suspicious to me and that is

++Morm

I normally would not vote for someone that is not here. But I have a nagging feeling that I have not been able to shake toDance. He may have just wanted his vote in, but why state who he is suspicous of after? And why no reason for voting for Cel?

[Macalaure]

Tally:

Mormegil-->Celuien (Cel-1)
Cailin-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-1)
Farael-->Mormegil (Cel-1, Val-1, Morm-1)
Celuien-->Valier (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1)
Nogrod-->Folwren(Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1)
Holbytlass-->Macalaure (Cel-1, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Macalaure-->Celuien (Cel-2, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1,Mac-1)
Valier-->Celuien (Cel-3, Val-2, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Eomer-->Valier (Cel-3, Val-3, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1)
Folwren-->Farael (Cel-3, Val-3, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1, Farael-1)
Lalwende--> Valier (Cel-3, Val-4, Morm-1, Fol-1, Mac-1, Farael-1)
Naria --> morm (Cel-3, Val-4, Morm-2, Fol-1, Mac-1, Farael-1)

I'd like to add that I have just upped my suspicions of Naria by a LOT.