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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In that far land beyond the Sea
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Ah yes, you are right, I forgot. Thanks for the reminder. However, I am not sure about the Ered Engrin thing. It's from HoME I suppose (that thing about Yellow Mountains)? I'm not sure, but I think that the symetry of Valar was more west - mirror - east, not north - mirror - south. I suppose also the White Mountains (more or less, going from west to east, thus, if they were a part of the "original" creation of Arda, they'd have to had a counterpart on the south) were created by some natural (well, "natural"...) disaster.
I also doubt about the Yellow Mountains (I'd be grateful if you find any information about them that you post it here) being mirror to the Iron Mountains, because: Quote:
However, it is also said in the first chapter of Silmarillion, that Quote:
Perhaps in the first quote the importance is not put on that Morgoth reared the mountains (meaning he "built them"), but to that he reared them around Udun. Ergo, the mountains were there (created by Valar), but he somehow worked on them and changed their ranges, thus, they now created a fence around his new citadel. (I know, a poor assumption. I'd rather stay with the first one - see below.) One more thing - concerning Hithaeglir and the height of the mountains, as I implied in my previous post. I wonder if the Hithaeglir was the highest of the mountains in ME? We are not told as much about the other mountain ranges as about the Misty Mountains, from what is described in the Hobbit and LotR, Hithaeglir seems pretty high. And also, we have the testimony of the Silmarillion 3 - Of the Coming of Elves and the captivity of Melkor: Quote:
What is the most interesting part in my opinion is however the following. Since it is possible that the Grey Mountains were a part of the Iron Mountains of Melkor's (see my post above) and they meet with Hithaeglir near Mount Gundabad, I find it very likely that these mountains (Hithaeglir&Ered Engrin) were actually of the same height! As I implied before, there was no And one more thing. Maybe you noticed in the quoted text from the 3rd chapter of Silmarillion one connection of words which seems like if we have seen it somewhere before. We are told that the Misty Mountains "were taller and more terrible in those days, and were reared by Melkor to hinder the riding of Oromë". The same words like those of Ered Engrin, that they were reared by Melkor. If the words have the same meaning here, it would mean that Ered Engrin were really built by Melkor (because of Hithaeglir we can tell for sure that it was not built by the Valar, and if Ered Engrin were "made" the same way...). Thus, this would mean that Ered Engrin wouldn't fit into that symetry of Arda, they were completely built by Melkor.
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