WW XXIIX - Queer Lodgings

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will have to go with Farael. . .

His plan, that I actually do have some sympathy for lacs some detail to make thing clear for me. It seems that he would like us to vote for people who plays in a certain way all the time, but that would be like telling the wolves where to hide. . .This could only work if the wolves naturaly messed up when having to speak up, but we have several tales of that not happening.

I think it is a good thing to vote by those merrits once in a while, but to make it an official plan, that we by the way is not allowed to talk about, seems silly.

and to be honest, I do think that by his own standarts Durin qualifies as a lynch candidate. . .voicing the same theory as his forfathers did (and not really anything else) Is not really contributing with anything new. . it is just Durin being Durin.

Another thing is that I do not want to spread the votes too much more and as it seems that Thorin will be voting Durelin. . .

now for the silly reasons:
1. His comment about Nilp annoyed me. . . . mostly because I took it as semi-seriouse.
2. He claims to have developed a sertain cobbler theory, but from what I have read it seems pretty much like the one TORE used.

++FARAEL

[Anguirel]

Okay. Now that really doubles the stakes. I am now unlikely to vote for Durin the dead unless I actually come to think that he's a wolf.

Hmmm.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It has always seemed to me, Kili, that the value in Day One discussion is discerned after the event. We look back on what has been said in the days to come, as Farael the Deathless points out. All behaviour on Day One can be construed as Wolf behaviour. In all probability, we will only catch a wolf by chance.

That's why this overanalysing and eagerness to find reasoning, at this stage, is quite remarkable.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

All behaviour on Day One can be construed as Wolf behaviour. In all probability, we will only catch a wolf by chance.

That's why this overanalysing and eagerness to find reasoning, at this stage, is quite remarkable.

You're quite right. I'd say quite right. All behaviour can be constructed as Wolf behaviour, on all Days - not only on Day1. But that doesn't mean that we only get wolves by chance - even on Day1. I've seen a wolf picked on Day1 with perfectly sound reasoning a couple of times.

So I would not say "in all probability" but with some probability we'll get the wolf by chance. But why not try to increase our probabilities and aid our luck by trying to look for some actual points? I say it's in our interests to do so - and without it there is much less to be read from Day1 later in the game.

And the eagerness to find reasoning in this stage of the game is remarkable. Yes it is. And I think it a good thing...

[Farael]

Learned from my mistakes? Kath my dear, I won that game and survived to the end (Thanks Nogrod) there was no mistake.

As to how to decide who is silent and who is not, that's the beauty of it... it shouldn't be orchestrated, it should be up to each of us to decide. That way, we force wolves to make a choice and stand by it, which leaves a voting record.

Anyway, I have only a few minutes and so I must go... I shall be back in about two hours.

[Thinlómien]

One thing in Kath's behaviour rings my alarms.

Originally Posted by Kath

. . . though the one [post] she [Lommy] has made had good points in it . . .

Really. That sounds very much like a wolfish "I-say-something-good-of-someone-just-for-the-sake-of-saying-good-of-somebody" -comment, since if you take a closer look at my post, what "good points" I can possibly have there? Those were the few first things crossing my mind after reading the thread. The post consist of crying over dead animals, ridiculing rhyme-patterns, making some jokes/corrections about bears and penguins, making one point (though not even a very incrimintaing one) against Nogrod, agreeing about Kitanna seeming suspicious without adding anything new about her, naming a few innocentish people and forbidding people to steal honey. What on earth are the "good points" over there, I wonder.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

One thing in Kath's behaviour rings my alarms. Really. That sounds very much like a wolfish "I-say-something-good-of-someone-just-for-the-sake-of-saying-good-of-somebody" -comment, since if you take a closer look at my post, what "good points" I can possibly have there? ... What on earth are the "good points" over there, I wonder.

I totally agree with you Lommy! A good point, this time!

[Anguirel]

Hmmm. I like the psychological family dynamics going on here...

Runi was actually mistaken in thinking I was on the verge of voting for Orilin, but the option is becoming more tempting now...

And she voted for Runi on specious grounds. Was Runi actually consciously acting against her indirectly?

Bomburlass also suspected Orilin early on. Spawn of Fundin suspects her, but not so adamantly as she does Gloanna.

On the whole I think wolves will be unlikely to be backing each other's suspicions up at this stage. I don't think I would were I a wolf, anyway.

Tricky as ever.

[Holbytlass]

It seems that Kitanna(Gloin) is acting highly suspicious but what are the odds that she be afflicted twice in a row? But that would be delving into the inner workings of The Necromancer and her ways. Would she be totally random in which GloKit would have a 1/17 chance of being a wolf just like the rest of us or would she tweak the roles for evil amusemsent? We can't know now.


Dancing Spawn(Dwalin) seems a bit too agreeable. Agrees with Boromir(Dori) about Kitanna's(Gloin)suspicios behavior. Agrees with Durelin(Ori) about Rune(Nori) and Kath(Balin) saying remarkably few words. Agrees with Farael(Durin) about his "lynch that add nothing" idea.

She seems to be coming across as agreeable in a befriending sort of way.

++Dancing Spawn (Dwalin)

[Nogrod]

I thought of looking closer at Eomi's / Kili's posting and well, it turned out interesting.

Originally Posted by Kilimir

#62
It has always seemed to me, Kili, that the value in Day One discussion is discerned after the event. We look back on what has been said in the days to come, as Farael the Deathless points out.

Really? I took a liberty to include all he has said in this game before this last post of his concerning the worth of trying to be rational on Day1.

Originally Posted by Kili

#17
I think Dori, Nori and Ori are the wolves. What Countess of Chance could resist placing the curse on the rhyming three. Certainly not I, Kili, and I'm not even a Countess! That can mean only that she was even more likely to give in to that delicious temptation — if my reasoning is valid, which it is not.

But where did logic ever get us before? We set out on a quest with 13 Dwarves. That's not logic; that's suicide!

Hence: Boromir, Rune and Durelin are the wolves. I, Kili, deem it so.

Originally Posted by Kili

#32
I've no idea who's accusing who. You're all making up names and it is confusing me. I am going to vote for one of the people who, for some inexplicable reason, called me, Kili, Eomi.

Originally Posted by Kili

#33
++DANCING SPAWN OF UNGOLIANT

Previously, to me at least, known as Dwalin. Let us see what comes of it.

So what value is there for us to look back on the Days to come with this posting? Eomi seems to be full aware that things said on Day1 will be looked afterwards and at the same time he seems to take good care of not leaving anything there behind for anyone to take hold of.

So if someone is playing carefully, here we have one. Even the vote could be said to be a safe / random one. And funny he should give his vote as the first of the whole Day as he had time to come back to the game now later...

Fishy, I say.

[Boromir88]

I can never ever figure out Eomi...I've just stopped trying. It's useless, he's really the only character I can't get a hold of...this eventually just leads me wanting to lynch him by Day 4 if he's still around.

I say it's in our interests to do so - and without it there is much less to be read from Day1 later in the game.

I completely agree...As I'm sure you're aware of Bofgrod, I have a knack for once finding out the truth about one wolf, getting one of their partners almost immediately...and that is all because of the the way people have interacted on Day 1. I find Day 1 to be quite useful, especially if we do nab a wolf.

Well for today....

Spawn, Darael the Deathless, Bofgrod, and Beornomien all feel innocent to me. Beornomien's attacks on Kath make her look more innocent, especially since there's been suspicion growing around Gloanna...and she could have easily tagged along.

If Gloanna be lynched, I'll be after Lord Anguirelshield and Kath tomorrow.

Everyone else I'm not really sure about. I remember Volo desiring to talk more when he's a wolf...but can't get a feel for him.

Oh and Kath, of course I'm a loudmouth...what would you expect from me?

Edit: x-posted with Ang

[Volo]

This is a hard place, I can't find anybody worth enough to get a vote. Luckily there is still time to think.

I actually find Duriel (Farael/Durin) innocentish. I feel that he is confused or then it's just that he hasn't fooled me with that one before.
But on the other hand, he hasn't contributed that much himself either (Oh, who's talking...) and he's logic is contradictory, encouraging random votes.

We shall see...

Meneltarmacil Baggins seems pretty innocent, he has said a few earnest-sounding things.

Dancing Dwalin has contributed well, either she's a loud wolf or indeed of help, I'll just follow her for now.

But Bomburlass, she seems a bit too quiet... She's taking a bit too long to come with her checking. For now, I'll think that she's busy (Aren't we all?).

Thoringuriel... I can't understand this one. He's been around a lot, but nearly all of his talk is in character chatting.

Eomi, like Dorimor88 said, nothing can be found to say about Eomi. I suggest you stop you in characterism for a while and say something. If you ask me, he has contributed close to nothing but seems to be awake.

Orilin, just like Eomi.

More later... From those I find Eomi and Orilin the ones that deserve a vote. But Thoringuriel and Bomburlass also seem to have a potential of being suspected by me.

An other thing I want to ask. What use is there from the Protector? He dies himself, if he protects somebody, that doesn't feel too useful, unless there is a Seer to protect.


EDIT: x:d with Holbytlass

[Nogrod]

About Orilin.

Nothing more to add but these:

Originally Posted by Ori

#36
Hah, I didn't even know Kathin had posted...but that's pretty standard for her. Which is always worrisome.

Originally Posted by Ori

#42
Both Rune and Kath have posted, but just once, and have drawn extremely little attention to themselves (not that anyone's drawn an extraordinary amount of attention). But they've still done enough (well, simply posted) to not get on the "has yet to post list" that some people tend to have their eyes on. For Kath, this is normal. So for now, I'm not going to even vote for her.

I'm not sure how to read this. Does this read to her favour or the contrary? She speaks of Kathin and somewhat suspects her but clearly underlines that her little-talking is normal and thence not reason to actually go after her... Hmm. This really could bite both ways.

Originally Posted by Beornómien

Meneltarbo's vote was a bit odd. It was too sudden. He had not suspected Kathin before. Then he just based his vote on dwancing spawn's and my points about her, without even bothering to specify which "from what was said earlier" made him vote her.

Nari made quite exactly the same thing earlier on... going for then favourite Glóanna. So trying to make it the easy way or trying to hide in a supposed majority?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nari made quite exactly the same thing earlier on... going for then favourite Glóanna.

That is quite weird, I mean, I did notice that, but it didn't really make me raise eyebrows. When Menel did the same, I was instantly finding something wrong with it. Maybe Naria is just such a charming personality...

I have to vote soon, and I'm not yet sure who I will vote. Most probably Glóanna or Kathin, unless rereading gives me some new, splendid idea or a I notice something remarkable.

edit: xed with Volo

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

And here I thought that I had pretty much just insulted everyone today, but it's good to know that I still come across as befriending.

Originally Posted by Bomburlass

It seems that Kitanna(Gloin) is acting highly suspicious but what are the odds that she be afflicted twice in a row? But that would be delving into the inner workings of The Necromancer and her ways. Would she be totally random in which GloKit would have a 1/17 chance of being a wolf just like the rest of us or would she tweak the roles for evil amusemsent? We can't know now.

Actually, a 3/17 chance. It seems that Bomburlass is disregarding Glóanna's "highly suspicious acting" just based on odds which makes me wonder. There's also the ever so useful 'we can't know' statement. Are you two in cahoots, eh?

Well, I'll decide my vote soon.