RE: Elrond/ next high king of the Noldor.

Thank You Alcuin. As deep and scholarly a discussion as any could want. Some would think Elrond was hiding in Imladris so as not to be obliterated like Gil-galad and others of his brethren; as he would have been with the title High King.

By LITTLE MAN POET:I was not aware that the rulership of Celebrimbor was a usurpation. Is that supported in the text? If it is, it certainly fits the patterns and would explain a lot.

I believe it was an usurpation, however I need to go back and look it up...
something about the liking of Sauron by Celebrimbor and the disliking of him by Galadriel. I think that was what led to it, quite fascinating really.


~Idril Celebrindal~

[Raynor]

I agree it was an usurpation:

Originally Posted by Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn, Unfinished Tales

Sauron used all his arts upon Celebrimbor and his fellow-smiths, who had formed a society or brotherhood, very powerful in Eregion, the Gwaith-i-Mirdain; but he worked in secret, unknown to Galadriel and Celeborn. Before long Sauron had the Gwaith-i-Mirdain under his influence, for at first they had great profit from his instruction in secret matters of their craft. So great became his hold on the Mirdain that at length he persuaded them to revolt against Galadriel and Celeborn and to seize power in Eregion; and that was at some time between 1350 and 1400 of the Second Age. Galadriel thereupon left Eregion and passed through Khazad-dum to Lorinand, taking with her Amroth and Celebrian.

That was the passage I was looking for, thankyou, you saved me some work

I always found that very interesting.

I am not a scholar of Tolkiens works, I have only read them, however I was thinking (I know it's dangerous for me to do that, but lifes about risks )
is another reason that Elrond didn't take up high King ship the fact that the Noldor were scattered? Some were in Valinor, some were in Lasgalen, some were wanderers, and there were some in Loth-Lorien. To my way of thinking, the Noldor were fading, they were leaving, they didn't need a high king, they needed a ship!

Anyway you are welcome to try and change my way of thinking if you wish.


Namarie,


~Idril Celebrindal~