Finishing the Lays of Beleriand....? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aiwendil · 01-29-2007, 10:52 AM

I have considered attempting something like this myself, though I always refrain when I imagine my feeble verse alongside Tolkien's. I would be very interested to read anyone's attempt.

Note, though - the Geste of Beren and Luthien is not in alliterative verse; it's in rhymed tetrametric couplets.

Folwren · 01-29-2007, 11:12 AM

That would be amazing! I'm horrible at poetry, so I won't even attempt to do any helping in the matter, but I think it's a good idea...at least to try.

-- Folwren

littlemanpoet · 01-29-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aiwendil

Note, though - the Geste of Beren and Luthien is not in alliterative verse; it's in rhymed tetrametric couplets.

Well, oops. That's what I get for writing the first post at work without my books handy and not having looked at the Lays of Beleriand for months. It is The Lay of the Children of Húrin that is in alliterative verse.

Truth be told, I think it might be just as intersting to attempt to render the Geste into alliterative verse after Tolkien's manner as found in Children.

So, is there interest in writing with me, or only reading my feeble attempts?

Durelin · 01-29-2007, 08:31 PM

As a fledgling, merely seventeen-years-old, never had any serious instruction, only self-named poet writer thingy, I can only dream of actually attempting to write any of it.

I'd love to attempt to give intelligent suggestions, though.

littlemanpoet · 01-29-2007, 08:36 PM

I still don't know what Forum would be most appropriate. Is it an off-shoot of the Revised Sil? I don't think so..... But I don't know where else to put it....

By the way, Durelin, fledgling you may be, but there's no time like the present to try something you're interested in; you never know.....

Maédhros · 01-29-2007, 10:24 PM

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I've got it in my head that it would be most rewarding to corporately take up virtual pen in hand and, using the alliterative poetic structure established by Tolkien, to attempt to complete the Lay of Beren and Luthien, in alliterative style.

Discussion would of course be necessary to determine which of Tolkien's versions would be best to use, and at which points. Discussion would also be necessary to establish a level of minimum acceptable quality of the work in progress.

I think that is an excellent idea. I for one, would love to read it. If I may make a suggestion in this. You might try to read the "Narn Beren ion Barahir" that Findegil has so amanzinly posted in the Translations from the Elvish Forum. He is ultra meticulous in the material that he uses and he explains his reasons in great detail. I don't think that you could find something like that anywhere else (that I know of at least). The observations and additions that Aiwendil have made, have made it even better.
It's a shame really that you didn't participate in the discussion, in the verse part, for I think that you could have enhanced it.

Looking foward to reading your stuff.
Maédhros.

Thinlómien · 01-30-2007, 04:02 AM

Sounds really interesting. But the partcipants must be ready to undertake and finish such a great project. I know I couldn't help you even in Finnish... so I'll forget about doing it in English. Anyway, if you guys are up to such project, I'll be following it, and if I dare, might be giving you some critic or suggestions, but won't participate actively or importantly.

littlemanpoet · 01-30-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Maédhros

If I may make a suggestion in this. You might try to read the "Narn Beren ion Barahir" that Findegil has so amanzinly posted in the Translations from the Elvish Forum. He is ultra meticulous in the material that he uses and he explains his reasons in great detail. I don't think that you could find something like that anywhere else (that I know of at least). The observations and additions that Aiwendil have made, have made it even better.
It's a shame really that you didn't participate in the discussion, in the verse part, for I think that you could have enhanced it.

Well shoot. I would have liked to have been a part of that. Perhaps I need to have a chat with Aiwendil, as he is mod of that forum...

Your interest, Lommy, and whatever participation, would be most welcome and greatly appreciated.

Maédhros · 01-30-2007, 11:01 AM

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Well shoot. I would have liked to have been a part of that. Perhaps I need to have a chat with Aiwendil, as he is mod of that forum...

You can be a part of that. It is still going on.

01-29-2007, 11:12 AM	#2
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	That would be amazing! I'm horrible at poetry, so I won't even attempt to do any helping in the matter, but I think it's a good idea...at least to try. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

01-30-2007, 04:02 AM	#7
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Sounds really interesting. But the partcipants must be ready to undertake and finish such a great project. I know I couldn't help you even in Finnish... so I'll forget about doing it in English. Anyway, if you guys are up to such project, I'll be following it, and if I dare, might be giving you some critic or suggestions, but won't participate actively or importantly. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-29-2007, 10:52 AM	#1
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	I have considered attempting something like this myself, though I always refrain when I imagine my feeble verse alongside Tolkien's. I would be very interested to read anyone's attempt. Note, though - the Geste of Beren and Luthien is not in alliterative verse; it's in rhymed tetrametric couplets.

01-29-2007, 08:31 PM	#4
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	As a fledgling, merely seventeen-years-old, never had any serious instruction, only self-named poet writer thingy, I can only dream of actually attempting to write any of it. I'd love to attempt to give intelligent suggestions, though.

01-29-2007, 08:36 PM	#5
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I still don't know what Forum would be most appropriate. Is it an off-shoot of the Revised Sil? I don't think so..... But I don't know where else to put it.... By the way, Durelin, fledgling you may be, but there's no time like the present to try something you're interested in; you never know.....