WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Macalaure]

First, a random thought about trust and mistrust.
Of course, you can't trust anyone (unless a proven seer confirmes them innocent). You simply can't. We've all been in situations (I think) where we were absolutely sure someone was innocent and then woke up with a dagger in our back. Then again, you simply cannot mistrust 17 people at a time. You go insane.
You have to trust a portion of the village, take up their points, consider them honest (even if they're contrary to your own. In fact, especially then) and make up your own mind then. I think the key is to question your trust frequently and don't set it in stone.


Current state of the trust:

People I trust (at the moment)
me
Rikae
Boromir
Roa

People I trust somewhat
mormegil (no reason for mistrust)
Anguirel (fishy, but he's always fishy)
Volo (I sense a trend towards him. Slowly there! He said a lot that naturally makes everyone suspicious. I maintain that he's genuine and innocent)
Firefoot
Mithalwen

People who seem weird
Lommy (don't know what to do with her)
Gil (looks pretty much like Gil. I always suspect him in a way)
Farael

People I have no feeling about
Naria (hasn't posted)
Durelin (hasn't posted sustantially)

People I suspect
Lalwende (little more than a hunch)
Rune (too uncontroversial in the beginning. Better lately)
Celuien (too uncontroversial. Only talked about the roles and defended people. Said she feels good about everyone so far and votes someone who hasn't posted. But then, Celuien is nice whatever her role)
Eomer (I have no problem with people suspecting me (see Rune), but I like to hear their reasons)


We have retrackies, so I'm putting another name into the urn, just to see what happens:

++Celuien

[Anguirel]

Volo, this is a thick question, but are you being sarcastic about Rikae? Because if you are, I kind of see where you're coming from.

I still have the option to retract and may yet use it. Let's see how the situation develops. I'm not entirely comfortable with the impetuous Volo's death, but less uncomfortable with it than with most other outcomes.

[mormegil]

--Rune

++Volo

I know that this is horrible but I really haven't caught up yet and the deadline is near enough and work busy enough that there is no way I can. I do trust Eomer enough that I'll follow along with his vote. Again don't expect this to happen again

[Macalaure]

I'm not comfortable with a race between Boro and Volo. I'm sorry to do this, since I'm very far from being convinced of his guilt. But I'm more suspicious of him than of the two.

--Celuien

++Gil-Galad


mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)

[Mithalwen]

I really don't want Boro to go and would be prepared to hang fire on Volo in favour of Gil to ensure this ..what do you think Ang?

[Anguirel]

I'm not sure. I don't think I want to change my vote to Gil. I can't help envisaging the stupendous possibility that Macalaure is moving to the aid of his lupine friend Volo, and rather want to test that theory out...are you willing to risk voting Volo?

[Lalwendë]

Whichever way anyone votes, Naria has still to come in and say anything and cast her vote, and it could be a deciding one. What a position of power!

[Celuien]

Naria was chosen at random from the less communicative section with the goal of poking everyone who hadn't posted yet. And retractably. Interesting that it was found so significant...

--Naria

As for my being quieter just now, I'm about to post to the noticeboard.

[Boromir88]

Gah I hate to have to do this, but I fear I must, as I can't be around to the end. I have to leave within a few minutes and can't make it back before the end...with my fate in limbo I feel I have to do it.

I am one of the secretive roles, and indeed it is the hunter. However, I am far more dangerous to the wolves at night than I am if I get lynched...so getting lynched is not something I want to do! If the wolves feel safe with killing me at night, I'll take up that challenge...but I do warn you I am far more dangerous to you wolves at night than the hunters of the past.

I must go soon, and I'll cast my vote for anyone that saves my skin, because you villagers do not want to lynch your hunter. I am far more dangerous to the wolves if they decide to risk it and kill me at night.

Edit: More mass cross posting

[Mithalwen]

mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)[/QUOTE]

Celuien Volo (-Naria) (Volo 5, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, , Mac 1)


Updated Mac's list highlighting those who have changed votes and are therefore fixed. It was just one .. and first to total dies in event of a tie remember...

[Mithalwen]

OK

++Volo

[Lalwendë]

Does this mean only Naria is left to vote?

Unless there are retractions from Ang, Eomer and Morm and a vote elsewhere from Naria, this means Volo has had it. I'm not so sure about this. He seemed just too easy?

[Durelin]

I feel Volo's a wasted lynch.

I think Firefoot's post here seems too cozy. The second vote for someone is a nice and innocent looking spot, but does quite a lot to push votes along for the person, particularly if the vote is as early as hers.

But she doesn't have any votes.

I think Gil-Galad's a better shot at a wolf. And I don't feel he's made any good points...or tried to, really. Of course, he's barely posted.

Boro is not particularly suspicious to me.

So...

++Gil-Galad

[Celuien]

++VOLO

For a gut feeling of weirdness.

[Celuien]

I crossed with everything since my retraction post (typing on a PDA screen is hard). That's all.

[Boromir88]

I can't wait around for a decision any longer. I won't be back before the end. Let's hope we got ourselves one here, or perhaps somebody else that could benefit the wolves.

++Volo

[Lalwendë]

Volo 6, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Mac 1.

Is it just me or does Volo 6, Boro 4 sound like the football scores?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Ang

I can't help envisaging the stupendous possibility that Macalaure is moving to the aid of his lupine friend Volo, and rather want to test that theory out

Wouldn't I have voted Boro in that case?

[Lalwendë]

mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Celuien -> Volo (Volo 5, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)

I think it's now all down to the tactical voting?

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Volo, this is a thick question, but are you being sarcastic about Rikae? Because if you are, I kind of see where you're coming from.

No, I don't feel sarcastic about Rikae. I don't think that she would be such a great wolf to play so well.


EDIT: X:d with mormegil. Still two hours. Be a man and don't act safe!

[Firefoot]

Gil - Go here.

I am now inclined to think that Gil is probably not a wolf, as Boro's claim would surely have come up in their discussions, so Gil would have known before now if he was a wolf. I suppose it could be a bluff - but that almost seems too subtle for Gil, and his post doesn't at all read like one.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Gil - Go here.

I am now inclined to think that Gil is probably not a wolf, as Boro's claim would surely have come up in their discussions, so Gil would have known before now if he was a wolf. I suppose it could be a bluff - but that almost seems too subtle for Gil, and his post doesn't at all read like one.

well since how i like to look behind the box... how do we know that was not boromir bluffing to take any notion of lynching him off? makes you think...


but i will not vote for boromir mainly for the fear of him indeed being a gifted

[Boromir88]

Even so, he could be an ordo setting a wolf-trap, rather than a wolf or cobbler.

No I actually am the hunter, if you don't want to believe me that's your own fault.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

No I actually am the hunter, if you don't want to believe me that's your own fault.

Maybe you are, and maybe you aren't.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I did misinterpret the narrative - I thought the villagers being together as the Gaur attacked was a hint at Shirriffs but now I see it was part of them not getting "a full strenth dose"... have't picked up on this hint of a cobbler though ... take pity on a poor serving wench and point me in the right direction?

[Volo]

Sooo, I'm low on life-time. And computer-time.

About Roa I can't say much, just that keeping such a summary does make her scary. I hope she's on our side.
She hasn't talked much sense and even her vote seems fake.

Argh... This is it, I have to go.

--Durelin
++Boromir

He is suspicious and I would really like to save myself.

[Boromir88]

have't picked up on this hint of a cobbler though ...

I think I confused the town charter chatter with the narration. Though I would not doubt it if one of the secret roles is a help to the wolves.

[Anguirel]

The chances of a two-horse race are now practically a hundred percent, and I'm becoming disillusioned with the idea of a wolf-Volo - but I suspect Boro very little.

Ho hum. I suppose if Eomer and I defected to Macalaure that might be helpful...what say you, beekeeper? How sure are you about our chosen man?

[Anguirel]

Blast, the beekeeper is off beekeeping. Ah well. Stiff upper lip, Volo old chap...always look on the bright side of death...

[Mithalwen]

Roa did talk sense - and she always takes a forensic approach to the game - unfortunately her assessments can be plausible regardless of her role...

I (and I am sure most of us) would never rule out Roa as a wolf without a seer's confirmation .. which we can't hope for here. But I am not buying into "Roa is a wolf because she summarizes and doesn't make sense" cos she always summarizes and unless she gets really riled up she makes sense.