WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Durelin]

I feel Volo's a wasted lynch.

I think Firefoot's post here seems too cozy. The second vote for someone is a nice and innocent looking spot, but does quite a lot to push votes along for the person, particularly if the vote is as early as hers.

But she doesn't have any votes.

I think Gil-Galad's a better shot at a wolf. And I don't feel he's made any good points...or tried to, really. Of course, he's barely posted.

Boro is not particularly suspicious to me.

So...

++Gil-Galad

[Anguirel]

Macalaure, in that situation backing the success of a third candidate would be a far more subtle way of aiding your fellow-wolf than simply supporting the closest rival. But I'm starting to believe in the tenuousness of my case.

A lot of the responsibility for lynching Volo rests on me, I feel, but I don't think I can in good conscience change my mind.

[Mithalwen]

Durelin,I don't disagree about Gil as my posts tell .. I would be happy voting either way but Volo makes Boro safer ..

[Mithalwen]

Ang - I would change but if faffing about gets Hunter Boro killed I will not be a happy wench ... (and if Boro is a clever wolf here the village will have an extra idiot.. ) However I want to go home soon if possible so if you could let me know...... neither Volo or Gil have proved themselves great assets. Gil has been random and excessively taciturn, Volo random and excessively verbose - I mean talking is good, talking gives us stuff to work on but he seems ot be putting up smokescreens.

[Firefoot]

Hey, I'm back! I didn't expect to be, but I have a couple extra hours. So.

My vote for Boromir earlier was not based on much at all. He and Gil were the only ones who had caught my eye in a significant way, and I overslept this morning so I didn't have time to look closer. That being said:

--Boromir

This will probably look like jumping on the bandwagon, but it's not (if I didn't want to look like I was jumping on the bandwagon, I wouldn't be posting at all right now and standing by my earlier statement that I wouldn't be available for the rest of the Day...). After reading the second page of the thread, I knew I wanted to vote for

++Volo

It was his post 70 that did it. He's way too cavalier and too defensive. I don't like to see people acting exaggeratedly (although I realize this is the style of some people - I have no idea if this is normally true for Volo). He's just a little all over the place.

Other scattered thoughts to come. I just don't want to build this up so that I'm cross-posting with a bunch of people.

[Durelin]

Since when is "all over the place"-ness on Day 1 wolfish?

*shrugs*

[Mithalwen]

Oh bother ..Mr Zbaglione ..I have just reread Volo post 70" Yup, I'm the wolf, lynch me!" Sometimes when people say they are wolves they are ..

[Mithalwen]

My head hurts (literally) can someone do the scores on the doors before migraine sets in...

[Durelin]

Mith - If you're suspicious of Volo, then I support your voting for him.

There is no way of knowing whether or not Boro is the Hunter until he is dead...which is pretty useless, unless he takes a Wolf with him.

And I was mostly explaining my vote. Besides, Boro was already safe when I voted: Volo already had...6 votes? He was up on Boro by two?

At any rate...I have been cross-posting with people like crazy...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Mith - If you're suspicious of Volo, then I support your voting for him.

There is no way of knowing whether or not Boro is the Hunter until he is dead...which is pretty useless, unless he takes a Wolf with him.

To be fair , Volo - I have never played with but he seems the most overtly suspicious of anyone - but Gil always worries me. AS I say both are messing with my head.

As for defending Boro...well he is the person I talk to most on the Downs- friendship may have clouded my judgement or help me read him better .. as Durelin says - I can't be absolutely certain til he is dead.

[Durelin]

I agree that his comment was quite wrong, Rikae: it was quite wrong of him to say it, and he is quite wrong in thinking that way of you.

I do find Volo's questioning of Farael's argument regarding Lommy as odd, which can be found here. He argues against it using the suggestion that in-character nonsense should be ignored, shrugged off.

But, in an earlier post, rather than asserting his vote for me is random, he tries to explain it:

Originally Posted by Volo

I wanted to vote Durelin for a completely useless post, a grudge and to help Boromir, but now having read Boromir's posts better I see he's pretty suspicious.

Eh? He should have just sticked with the grudge thing.

I don't know if this means anything or not...mostly it just has me confused.

If I had to say who the wolves were right now, though, I'd say Rikae and Firefoot are two of them. Just throwing that out there.

[Macalaure]

Just when I thought it was over, it's Volo 7 - Gil 5.

Come on, people!

[Rikae]

I just got back and finished reading the posts. Not much time left to comment, but Volo does look very weird, and what's more, I don't appreciate the sarcastic digs at me. Maybe I'm not the world's best player, but you don't need to be so nasty about it.
--Anguirel
++Volo

[Rikae]

What I mean - he says I would be a bad wolf. Apparently, and especially considering my earlier comments, that means I'm just a lousy ww player.
That hurt.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I just got back and finished reading the posts. Not much time left to comment, but Volo does look very weird, and what's more, I don't appreciate the sarcastic digs at me. Maybe I'm not the world's best player, but you don't need to be so nasty about it.
--Anguirel
++Volo

*sigh*
I see your point. I still think Volo is innocent and just said what he thought. I can assure you that few share his opinion. If I recall correctly, you haven't even been a werewolf so far and so didn't have a chance to inspire fear into us.

[Lalwendë]

Volo is on 8, Boro on 3, Gil on 4. There are now 3 retractable votes for Volo, 2 for Boro and 3 for Gil, and one more other vote to acount for.

So errrrr, what does that mean, on the Swingometer? Is it a Hung Parliament yet?

[Lalwendë]

Volo is on 7, Boro on 3, Gil on 5. There are now 2 retractable votes for Volo, 2 for Boro and 3 for Gil, and still we await Naria...

Mithalwen, your defence of Boro is amazing!

[Firefoot]

Concerning Volo (some more):

I wanted to vote Durelin for a completely useless post, a grudge and to help Boromir, but now having read Boromir's posts better I see he's pretty suspicious.

I don't understand this. Who wants to vote completely uselessly? Does this mean that he totally flipped and now thought Boro was suspicious? Obviously he was already starting to come up with suspicions at this point - so why did he go ahead and vote for Durelin "for no reason at all"?

She agrees with Firefoot's comment on "do not trust anyone". That's clearly a wolfish ploy. While I don't propose "trust just about everyone", at some point you need to draw a line. Do your best to make your own theories and find your own suspects, but if we start suspecting "This person may be a wolf because I trust them too much" then we are done for. Odds are, if someone is making A LOT of sense, and there is no evidence at all that they are a wolf.... they will be innocent.

I think I ought to clarify my own comment here. I didn't mean to absolutely not trust anybody. I meant don't come into the game already trusting someone before they've even posted once, basically assuming they will be innocent because you like to trust them. Once they've posted a couple of times, then there might be some grounds for trust.

Farael's post 71 strikes me as a little peculiar - it's extremely in depth for the length of time the game had been going on. I'm not really saying it's a bad thing, but it did catch my eye. Actually, Farael just seems very convinced on his own theories in general, but with the way others are responding it seems that that might be normal for him.

I'm not quite easy with Anguirel, just the way he subtly shifts blame around. But I don't particularly think he's a wolf, either.

Boro the hunter, hm? I missed that the first time through. It seems to me, though, that while the hunter is only really useful if he is killed (except as a known innocent, I suppose), the hunter is much more likely to be successful later on when there's a higher chance of picking a wolf... so it seems likely that if he was the hunter, the wolves would try to take him out earlier rather than later, since leaving a known innocent late into the game can be extremely dangerous for the wolves. I think it would probably be silly for a wolf to try and bluff like that - people are going to get suspicious if he stays alive too long. Although I suppose the wolves could try and bluff their way through that by leaving him alive so we actually lynch him. Oh, I don't know. If I hadn't already changed my vote, I would now if only because it's not worth the risk at this point.

[Nogrod]

Sorry, my bad! I had dropped Durelin from the "official" player list in post #3 of this thread. I have now put her back in there... Sorry.

(I wondered a bit why my counts don't add...)

[Anguirel]

I am a quivering, wobbling, vaguely alcoholic zabaglione of indecision.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sorry, my bad! I had dropped Durelin from the "official" player list in post #3 of this thread. I have now put her back in there... Sorry.

(I wondered a bit why my counts don't add...)

Lol and why she isn't on my chart .... should have noticed ..

[Durelin]

Durelin,I don't disagree about Gil as my posts tell .. I would be happy voting either way but Volo makes Boro safer ..

Maybe so, but I'm not going to actively protect Boro, when I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, and if I'm not suspicious of Volo. To me that makes no sense. I think everyone should try and vote for someone they are actually (at least a little bit) suspicious of - not just to save someone unless you know they're innocent.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Maybe so, but I'm not going to actively protect Boro, when I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, and if I'm not suspicious of Volo. To me that makes no sense. I think everyone should try and vote for someone they are actually (at least a little bit) suspicious of - not just to save someone unless you know they're innocent.

Well fair enough but I personally felt he was innocent and both Gil and Volo were suspicious. In which case it is reasonable to my mind to choose to protect the seeming innocent .. then there is the matter of his revelation - do you imply that you think Boro lied about being the Hunter?

[Lalwendë]

Glad you said that Nogrod, as I was trying to think of a way to apologise to Durelin for my omission. I'm not quite so embarrassed about my poor maths now.

Now for more maths. Volo is on 7, Boro on 4, Gil on 4. There are still 4 retractable votes for Volo, 3 for Boro and 3 for Gil, and one more other vote to acount for. It's all still to play for I s'pose.

Some very spirited defence of Boro lately I note. By Wolves or Rangers? He's either suspected, or known, to be innocent or is a cobbler or something like that? Though I don't want to go there or it will mess up all my thoughts from today.

[Durelin]

No issues, everyone...I enjoyed remaining mysterious for a time...

And no, not because I have something to hide.

[Anguirel]

OK, Mith. I've made up my mind. I did not toss a twenty groat coin to decide, I have never, ever, lost a game of Werewolf, and I am the true King of Beleriand.

Let's change.

--VOLO, ++GIL-GALAD

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Ang

Macalaure, in that situation backing the success of a third candidate would be a far more subtle way of aiding your fellow-wolf than simply supporting the closest rival. But I'm starting to believe in the tenuousness of my case.

I see your point. Good you're about to change your mind. It's frustrating to be suspected by people you think are innocent.

Talking of people suspecting me... Master Eomer, I still like to hear an explanation of yours.


Durelin speaks truth. There's a chance that Boro is fooling us. I can already hear him saying "The wolves are afraid of me!" when the village starts wondering why keeps on staying alive day after day.
Well, in that case, the real hunter knows what to do.
Unless Boro is the one wolf-supporting innocent. Hats off in that case.