The Fellowship of the Fourth Age (Part 1): A New Beginning Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Durelin · 02-02-2007, 02:36 PM

I started working on a post for Khamir, and wasn't completely positive where to go with it, so I'll turn that into a wrap up post if that's alright.

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I'm also curious where you think our characters will eventually line up on this issue of cooperation with the orcs: for or against.

Khamir = decidedly against. I mean, one of those bloody critters lopped off his arm years ago...

Adnan will have an open mind. Besides, his hatred lies (well, lied...I think he's going to resolve that hatred, though he'll have some other issues, hehe) with Easterlings.

Vror hasn't had any experience with Orcs, though he knows plenty about their nastyness from the older generations. So I think he'll be fairly open-minded. He'll find himself especially unable to hate them when it comes to female and young Orcs. Paternal instincts and the like...

Hilde Bracegirdle · 02-02-2007, 02:47 PM

Carl will be deeply suspicious of the orcs, and I don't think he will be over joyed with the prospect of joining up with them. (Might even act a bit 'orcish' about it.)

Tevildo · 02-02-2007, 03:40 PM

Interesting. Dorran's parents were killed by orcs.

Enough said!

Still.... The real question isn't how our characters feel at the beginning of this mess. It's whether or not they are capable of change.

I suspect Dorran is capable of change, even if very slowly. I also suspect that, if there is any sentiment to give orcs a chance, it will generally come from the members of the fellowship rather than the slaves (though there may be certain exceptions to this.) If Aiwendil and Lindir and eventually Vror soften their stance a bit, Dorran will begin to feel some pressure to re-examine his own attitudes. Like Durelin's character, Dorran is more likely to be soft hearted about the women and the children....especially the children.

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Azhar is in an interesting position. She has equal hatred for orcs and easterlings so, in that sense, she's not as fixated on orcs as Dorran is. Azhar will do everything she can to avoid coming in contact with the male orcs. She doesn't want to fight them--she just wants to avoid them. Female orcs and children are a different matter. She's never known any. I assume that, if female orcs lived on the plantation, they did drudge work rather than being overseers....the same for the kids. It's possible that Azhar would actually have some things in common with the kids and women if she would ever talk to them -- types of labor they both shared. If Azhar can make some contact of this type, her atttitudes will soften. More than that, she could become a veritable firebrand on behalf of "orc rights".

Regin Hardhammer · 02-02-2007, 04:12 PM

It seems as if the orc women and children will be in a pivotal position when it comes to dealing with non-orcs. Ishkur has never been beholden to any woman in his life so having to rely on orc women even for this will not be easy.

Firefoot · 02-02-2007, 04:33 PM

I've been under the impression that Grask was the only Orc child in the lot - that's certainly how I've been writing my posts. But maybe the word "children" has just been being used for convenience - it sounds better, I suppose...?

Grask is going to be curious, maybe a little fearful, but mostly curious. Johari will be distrustful and probably resentful.

Nogrod · 02-02-2007, 06:54 PM

Sorry to have been away for a time again. I'll be in soon enough. Modding a WW-game seems to be a full time job, at least if you add to it some social life with your children...

But to answer your question Child:
- Hadith couldn't probably even understand that one could live alongside an orc in other conditions than slavery (either way) or enmity. Hopefully he will be in such a bad condition that he can't open his loud & conservatively idealistic mouth here! But who knows?
- Gwerr will be one of those who could see a point in co-operation - at least as long as it might make the Uruks the main "suspects" and thence lessen their influence. But he would be pretty upset with any Elf showing up (old instincts, you know).

Hilde Bracegirdle · 02-03-2007, 11:45 AM

Durelin, I've got Carl's post up (finally), and had the notion that the slavers' might decide that it wasn't worth pursuing matters once they found out how badly things were going for them. Maybe just grab a few choice persons head back for their camp. And so I had what Lindir had described earlier as "one of Imak's most trusted henchmen" shouting something. Didn't know if you could use that. It could be anything, some strategy or a report on their losses, whatever.

And as always, if I need to change something, just let me know. I might not get online again before tomorrow to fix it, though. And apologies for the delay in filling in the save.

02-02-2007, 03:40 PM	#3
Tevildo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Curled up on Melko's lap Posts: 425	Interesting. Dorran's parents were killed by orcs. Enough said! Still.... The real question isn't how our characters feel at the beginning of this mess. It's whether or not they are capable of change. I suspect Dorran is capable of change, even if very slowly. I also suspect that, if there is any sentiment to give orcs a chance, it will generally come from the members of the fellowship rather than the slaves (though there may be certain exceptions to this.) If Aiwendil and Lindir and eventually Vror soften their stance a bit, Dorran will begin to feel some pressure to re-examine his own attitudes. Like Durelin's character, Dorran is more likely to be soft hearted about the women and the children....especially the children. ************* Azhar is in an interesting position. She has equal hatred for orcs and easterlings so, in that sense, she's not as fixated on orcs as Dorran is. Azhar will do everything she can to avoid coming in contact with the male orcs. She doesn't want to fight them--she just wants to avoid them. Female orcs and children are a different matter. She's never known any. I assume that, if female orcs lived on the plantation, they did drudge work rather than being overseers....the same for the kids. It's possible that Azhar would actually have some things in common with the kids and women if she would ever talk to them -- types of labor they both shared. If Azhar can make some contact of this type, her atttitudes will soften. More than that, she could become a veritable firebrand on behalf of "orc rights". __________________ Now Tevildo was a mighty cat--the mightiest of all--and possessed of an evil spirit,...and he was in Melko's constant following; and that cat had all cats subject to him, and he and his subjects were the chasers and getters of meat for Melko's table.

02-02-2007, 04:12 PM	#4
Regin Hardhammer Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tumunzahar/Nogrod Posts: 364	It seems as if the orc women and children will be in a pivotal position when it comes to dealing with non-orcs. Ishkur has never been beholden to any woman in his life so having to rely on orc women even for this will not be easy. __________________ For once I myself saw with my own eyes the Sibyl at Cumae hanging in a bottle, and when the boys said to her: 'Sibyl, what do you want?' she replied, 'I want to die.'"

02-02-2007, 06:54 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Sorry to have been away for a time again. I'll be in soon enough. Modding a WW-game seems to be a full time job, at least if you add to it some social life with your children... But to answer your question Child: - Hadith couldn't probably even understand that one could live alongside an orc in other conditions than slavery (either way) or enmity. Hopefully he will be in such a bad condition that he can't open his loud & conservatively idealistic mouth here! But who knows? - Gwerr will be one of those who could see a point in co-operation - at least as long as it might make the Uruks the main "suspects" and thence lessen their influence. But he would be pretty upset with any Elf showing up (old instincts, you know). __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

02-02-2007, 02:47 PM	#2
Hilde Bracegirdle Relic of Wandering Days Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: You'll See Perpetual Change. Posts: 1,480	Carl will be deeply suspicious of the orcs, and I don't think he will be over joyed with the prospect of joining up with them. (Might even act a bit 'orcish' about it.)

02-02-2007, 04:33 PM	#5
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I've been under the impression that Grask was the only Orc child in the lot - that's certainly how I've been writing my posts. But maybe the word "children" has just been being used for convenience - it sounds better, I suppose...? Grask is going to be curious, maybe a little fearful, but mostly curious. Johari will be distrustful and probably resentful.

02-03-2007, 11:45 AM	#7
Hilde Bracegirdle Relic of Wandering Days Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: You'll See Perpetual Change. Posts: 1,480	Durelin, I've got Carl's post up (finally), and had the notion that the slavers' might decide that it wasn't worth pursuing matters once they found out how badly things were going for them. Maybe just grab a few choice persons head back for their camp. And so I had what Lindir had described earlier as "one of Imak's most trusted henchmen" shouting something. Didn't know if you could use that. It could be anything, some strategy or a report on their losses, whatever. And as always, if I need to change something, just let me know. I might not get online again before tomorrow to fix it, though. And apologies for the delay in filling in the save.