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Banshee of Camelot
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Switzerland
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Well, after the Squatter's brillant post which covers everything, there's really nothing left to say.
![]() Just a note to Beanamir of Gondor about Gandalf being a "trandescental being" . While reading LotR for the first time one doesn't know about Eru and the Valar, of course. There are just hints every now and then that there is some power behind it all, like MatthewM said. And Gandalf the White does say "Naked I was sent back - for a brief time, until my task is done." Most information about this is found in "Unfinished tales" in "The Istari" and "The Quest of Erebor".
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Jul 2003
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*sigh* I just meant that for silly n00b5 or those who have never read Silmarillion or The Lost Tales, etc., they would have to do an extremely close reading of the texts to get anything about a higher power. Since you don't even know about Arda or where the Wizards came from, you don't know that their transcendence ever existed, much less that it ended when they left Ea.
It's obviously another thread topic, but I think the idea of Gandalf as a Messianic figure is going a bit far, MatthewM. "Coming back from the dead" is sticky terminology... did he really enter the halls of Mandos? (Agh! More Valar!) Or was it just a transitional phase? This thread has gone drunken-Mr.-Rochester on me, so here I make my exit to ME Mirth.
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Eagle of the Star
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I always thought it was a deliberate diversion by Tolkein to ensure Gandalf & the Witch King do not meet in direct battle. He wanted the glory of felling the Witch King to belong to a lesser folk.
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Eagle of the Star
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Just for some further proof:
Taken from Appendix B: The Tale of Years: The Great Years- January 25 He casts down the Balrog, and passes away. His body lies on the peak. February 14 Gandalf returns to life, and lies in a trance. Italiacs mine.
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