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Haunting Spirit
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Yes.
![]() I don't have the exact quote at hand but when Dain returned after the Battle of Azanulbizar he was greatly shaken and told Thrain that the time to return to Moria had not yet come
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Guard of the Citadel
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oxon
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Very true Lord Melkor, I thought I should give the quote to clear things up a bit more:
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However, I definitely don't agree with the idea of an agreement between Sauron and Durin's Bane. I see it more as a relation between Sauron and Shelob. Shelob helped Sauron indirectly by making sure nobody made it alive through her lair, but she had no real wish to serve him. Also, I am not so sure whether the Balrog actually cared about anyone passing through Moria as long as he wasn't disturbed. During Balin's reign the Dwarves were able to reach as far as to the West Gate so clearly if they had wished to exit Moria they could have (except the unfortunate episode with Oin and the Watcher). Neither the Balrog nor the Watcher were in any way serving Sauron knowingly, it was just a lucky coincidence for him that they were present there. As for the Orcs, they clearly respected and served the Balrog, however this doesn't mean they didn't have their own pride. Azog's time as "ruler" of Moria shows that not all Orcs were necessarily also serving the Balrog, which leads me to the conclusion that the Balrog didn't care much about what was going on as long as he was ok.
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Sage & Onions
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Britain
Posts: 894
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I wonder if it was the presence of Gandalf, as well as the presence of the ring, which roused the Balrog to attack the Fellowship.
I imagine that maiar could sense one-anothers' presence and that the Balrog would have considered Gandalf a threat to 'his' domain, while Balin's Dwarven colonists provoked no such response as they were beings of little 'power' in the view of the Balrog. Maybe!
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