Admin thread to WW XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[The Saucepan Man]

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Originally Posted by Durelin

I really hope my vote for Legate didn't look like a wolf cover up.

And sorry, SPM. Though you are still alive.

I don't wanna diiiiieeeeee! What do we do?

Well, I guess we obviously kill Nogrod. I wonder why Lalaith wanted to save herself so badly, though? Is she Gifted? Might be something we can use against her...

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, it's somewhat funny. But first, I want to apologize to you for not being here today, nevertheless, seeing what has been happening, maybe it's for the best. Also looking at the votes, probably I wouldn't be of much help anyway even if I came and voted, since voting for Lalaith and thus saving both SpM and tgwbs would immediately associate me with you, and although we'd have a dead Lalaith then and all four of us, the numbers will still be against us and we'd be clearly exposed. Apart from maybe Hookbill (and that's really only slightly), noone seems to be suspecting me at the moment, except for you (let's not overact it!), and no one seems to associate myself with you. Hopefully. Gah, but I don't want to be some sort of solo Faithful, I want to preserve us all! Or, us three, at least.

It is very, very, very unfortunate that Nogrod happened to pick you all three *grrr* Well, I think it didn't do as much shame as it could, but still, it is enough. Maybe, just maybe, the confusion raised by Mac's mistake will distract the village somehow. But only maybe.

Okay, we are still alive, as Durelin said, so now let's play this game on. After all, the village was losing and losing for many days, as the Mod himself said, it was about time they got one of us.

First, I suggest raising a suspicion on Lalaith tomorrow for taking her vote from tgwbs and assigning it to SpM to let herself live. Not only that she might be a Faithful trying to save her neck, but even she might have retracted a vote from her comrade (known Faithful). Do not lose your cool, SpM. Those who voted for Lalaith toDay must vote for her tomorrow, and even more. Darn, I am only afraid from my post logic in game I should be suspecting SpM now...

Secondly, on who to kill. I wouldn't take Nogrod's sputter about the Ranger not protecting him yesterday too seriously. But... I have somehow come to doubt whether Nogrod actually is not the Ranger (or worse, Hunter), although he mentioned, I think, on the start of the Day 2 something quite confusing about the Ranger (like if Rikae could know who protected her or something like that). Nevertheless, do you suggest we go after Nogrod now?

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Nogrod was a right thorn in the side toDay. Even though his early accusations of TGWBS, Durelin and I were later revealed to be tactical, why did he have to pick the three of us? I suspect that his intuition is on track, but he lacks the evidence to back it up. As I said in the thread, I don’t mind being suspected, but I thought his reasons (for all three of us) were very poor.

There is a risk that Nogrod was not protected last Night. But I get the feeling from his attempt to remind us of this possibility that he was. He will know, after all. Mith also made this point, which might point to her being the Ranger. Something to bear in mind.

But, for toNight, I think that we should go for Nogrod. I suspect he will not be protected and he is too much of a liability to keep around. It should quieten things down, too.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I am not overly optimistic about my chances toMorrow. If necessary, neither of you should hesitate to vote for me. It’s probably the one time when a Faithful-on-Faithful vote won’t be overly suspected, given that we lost one of our number toDay. It might be best to avoid both of you voting for me but, unless there is a miraculous turn around in my fortunes, one of you should. And make sure that it’s at a time when it counts. Durelin is probably best placed to do so, but play it as you see best.

As I said, I think that Legate is best placed of the three of us, so our main aim (apart from getting innocents lynched) should be to ensure that that remains the case.

Note - I doubt that Noggie is the Hunter but, if he is, he will probably take me down. If he is, I believe that Mith is his accomplice. Either way, we (you?) should consider killing Mith the next Night, especially if Lalaith is lynched toMorrow.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I have been looking at who TGWBS suspected and who suspected him. Here is a rough and ready list.

[This was a more basic version of the list I posted on Day 5.]

The best tack to take with this might be to look at those who he hardly mentioned and who didn't mention him, for example, Hookbill and Kitanna. It might also be used against Mithalwen. However, that might also implicate the two of you, Durelin especially. I might use it, as I have already expressed strong suspicions of Durelin.

His expressed belief in my innocence will almost certainly be used against me.

The more I think on it, the more I wonder whether it might be in the team's best interests for Durelin and I to have a big run-in toMorrow since, if one of us is lynched, it might well stand the other in good stead.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Yes, I think I already set it all up for you and I to go at each other's throats, Saucie. Unfortunately.

I agree that Nogrod should be our *attempted* kill. *crosses fingers* Do we know yet if Manwe is dead?

Perhaps a late wolf sort of sacrifice is for the best. Just play it by ear, and I readily give up myself if things are looking bad for me. I'll probably continue going after both of you, but not solely. I don't want people to pay more attention to you Legate, but I want to distance myself from you because chances are I'm going to get lynched sooner than you. Hopefully you won't get lynched at all.

Originally Posted by Durelin

I might suggest the crazy idea that Gil is a possible wolf because their votes for each other could have been a last minute attempt to distance themselves from each other, to keep Gil out of everyone's heads fully? Hmm...

I'll probably ramble about you Sauce and say how I'm confused that TGWBS would express that he thought you innocent if you are a wolf, too, because I would think he'd better separate himself...yadda....

Originally Posted by Durelin

Do you want to duke it out, Spaman, and throw everyone for a loop? I think we should definitely do so if for any reason Nogrod is protected. We might find the dynamics of the village completely different, though, toMorrow, without him around. Lommy may take his place in some respects, but she is at least more reasonable.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Since Durelin said she'd probably go after you, SpM, I most likely won't vote for you toMorrow (if such an option arises). Hopefully an argument that I am not 100% sure about you and that you might be either a total baddie or an innocent caught in bad situation will not seem strange. Durelin, I'd probably mention something like you are high on my list now, because I felt uneasy of you and now you might be constructing something, casting suspicion away from yourself by voting me etc. (is it adviceable to mention it, or should I skip the "voting for me" part?) Otherwise, I'll go against Mithalwen mainly, possibly not believing in Lalaith's guilt (so far I said almost nothing about her), mentioning Gil-Galad only sideways as a possibility of being the "black horse" after all, and expressing suspicion of Lommy.

Sacrifice being nice (oh! I'm a poet!), however, if we somehow manage to go through the next Day unharmed, it would be even better. Let's play it now how it comes. But, still we need to get rid of the Ranger/Hunter fast, or we'd have the pair on our backs. Stick with what you said in your PMs now (unless something better strikes you). Until then, and if Nogrod is the Hunter, have a nice Night/Day/.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

My assessment is that, if he's [Nogrod] not protected, we're in with a reasonable chance. If he is, I think it will be an uphill struggle. Either way, I believe that you will have to conquer your fears, Legate, and prepare yourself for a lone struggle.

Your plans sound fine to me. Agreed that it all depends upon how things look in the early stages and we should play it by ear. However, I suspect that I and, to a lesser extent, Durelin will be under some pressure. Of the two of us, I think that my lynching would do us less harm, as matters stand.

Better still, neither of us, but we shall see.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Rune

To what extend do you mean that you set me and Brinniel at each other?
Did you mean the whole Rune-Brinniel vote thing in genneral or me and Brinniels quarrels. . .

Well, both really, but the latter more. It was nothing major, but the strategy (from my perspective, at least) was to encourage suspicion between the two of you.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hmmm. . . I want to dismiss any sugestion of me being manipulated, but of course you guys probably influenced my judgment. At least I cannot completly dismiss the theory.

I belive that my motivation was my own, but I suspect that you guys could have enhanced this motivation and I guess that is also the way a wolf wants to influence people.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Rune

hmmm. . . I want to dismiss any sugestion of me being manipulated, but of course you guys probably influenced my judgment. At least I cannot completly dismiss the theory.

Well, it was our job to try to influence and manipulate opinion. Whether or not we succeeded with you, I cannot say, but the results were consistent with our intentions. And, since we were the "bad" guys, we will take the credit.

[The Saucepan Man]

Been reviewing our Nightly discussions and just wanted to post this, from my first PM on Night 2:

Originally Posted by me

As for our Queen’s list, it looks like we have a pretty astute Cobbler. Two out of four ain’t at all bad on Day 1. Hence my feeling that it might be Mith. Obviously, we can discount the two “unknowns” listed (unless they are playing mind games with us). My original thought, as Day 1 had progressed, had been Manwe, but I hoped not as I had defended him rather too much. Now, I doubt it’s him, since a Cobbleresque Manwe surely wouldn’t have gone so strongly for Nogrod if he thought him a Wolf. So, my current thought is Mithalwen (and I’m also factoring in here her early mention of the Cobbler). Lalaith is another possibility. And a further thought just struck me ... Roa? Another possible explanation for her defence of Nogrod?

Although my initial instinct was to kill Roa on Night 2, I ended up in the same post in which I proposed killing her, thinking her a possible Cobbler. I became more and more sure of this as I reviewed the Day 1 posts, and so was not greatly surprised by Rikae's reveal. Had we not gone for Rikae on Night 2, I would have suggested Nogrod as our target. Which might have affected things significantly, as Rikae would then have dreamed of aomeone else on Night 2, possibly one if us.

I should add that I thought that you did a great job Rikae. Not only did you deliver the village the Cobbler, but you allowed Nogrod a platform from which he became a very tricky customer for us.

I would also add that, quite apart from the fact that I somehow became the principal alternative, I did think lynching Roa to be a good thing for us on Day 2. Had someone other than either Rikae or Roa been lynched, we would have been left unsure whether our target, Rikae, was in fact the Seer. That said, I would also have voted for Roa had I been innocent, despite the well-put arguments to the contrary.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by SpM

The best tack to take with this might be to look at those who he hardly mentioned and who didn't mention him, for example, Hookbill and Kitanna. It might also be used against Mithalwen.

Durelin and Hookbill managed this expertly. I can't believe Gil got lynched after our dual votes the day I died. Nice manipulation of my words, Faithfuls (and misguided innocents).

[Gil-Galad]

i think the major reason why you faithfuls didn't kill me off was because i was gaining more and more speculation

[Lalaith]

If it hadn't been for my one big blind-spot, this would have been one of my best games. (Speaking on a purely personal level) I began suspecting 3 out of the four wolves on Day three, and never really stopped suspecting any of them. I don't think I've ever had such a successful spotting rate. And my instinct for trustworthy individuals was almost perfect.

Almost. The blind-spot was of course Legate, and this was the fatal flaw in my entire game. ...that, and of course the fact that I too quickly became too discredited and suspected a player for anyone except Noggie and Lommy to listen to me....sigh...