Morgoth's Return

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Nobody's trying to stop you considering notions that never appear in any of Tolkien's published writings, and are at variance with his whole philosophical position as far as it can be ascertained from those writings. Everyone is telling you that there's no point in discussing an idea the evidence for which is the complete lack of evidence in support of it. You can believe what you like, but here we discuss Tolkien's books and theories derived directly therefrom. If there are passages in the books or letters that suggest your theory then we can discuss it here, and I for one will gladly do that; but if this is just something that popped into your head spontaneously then it really doesn't belong here.

I mean, do I go around the forum propounding my theory that Fingolfin's battle with Morgoth is a mnemonic reminding Tolkien to pick up his robe from the dry cleaners? Well, not often, and not outside Mirth. Except just this once here for illustration.

and besides, with Tolkien, anything is possible

That is so far from being the case that it isn't even funny.

[Thenamir]

OK. You can choose to believe Tolkien, an expert in languages, wrote something clearly opposite of his intent. I choose to believe that Lord Halsar is actually davem in disguise.

Thre will be no return for Morgoth until the end of time, when ME is about to cease to exist. Sauron is finished for good, the Witch King is a more likely candidate but unlikely as the power of his Master in him is no more. Though one cannot rule out the Nazgul returning in their original form prior to being seized by Sauron & his Rings of power, as though they have been released from a spell.

There are times when I believe that these thread moderators are a bit too heavy handed with their actions & thoughts on people's posts. Unless there is naughty behaviour exchanged between posters, naughty punishments should not be delivered. Some obscurity is essential in threads to allow a far-reaching debate, & besides there are no more obscure creatures in any world than Hobbits!

[Raynor]

Originally Posted by Mansun

Thre will be no return for Morgoth until the end of time, when ME is about to cease to exist. Sauron is finished for good, the Witch King is a more likely candidate but unlikely as the power of his Master in him is no more. Though one cannot rule out the Nazgul returning in their original form prior to being seized by Sauron & his Rings of power, as though they have been released from a spell.

IIRC, Tolkien notes in the letters that the witch king has been reduced to impotence, while Gandalf state that the nazgul stand or fall by their master. I would say all evidence point to the nazgul becoming insignificant after the fall of Sauron (not even Sauron is great enough to recover). As for the rest of your post, I will simply note my disagreement and leave it at that.

[Thenamir]

There is a difference between debating the differing views of an obscure point and inserting wildly and radically non-canonical points that fly in the face of well established and thoroughly documented sources. Open minded scientists may well differ as to whether light consists of particles or waves, but they will not waste time with the theory of a McDonald's grease-jockey that postulates that light consists of macaroni and cheese.

As Squatter has noted (and as LH has taken the hint) such theories are better discussed in the Mirth forum, where the point is being discussed in a lively fashion even now.

[Lord Halsar]

Thank You... I think.
though it was not my intention to make it a humor article in the mirth, i guess its better than nothing.