Drop Everything Right Now!!! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

davem · 04-05-2007, 07:12 AM

http://tolkien.hcp-uk.co.uk/ Desktops, avatars STUFF

AND a TRAILER for the book http://tolkien.hcp-uk.co.uk/thechildrenofhurin.aspx

Estelyn Telcontar · 04-05-2007, 07:25 AM

Moving to N&N, as this is an announcement rather than a discussion - please drool there!

davem · 04-05-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

Moving to N&N, as this is an announcement rather than a discussion - please drool there!

Well, I think it should be EVERYWHERE!!!!

Sorry, bit over excited....

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-05-2007, 07:43 AM

WOW!

*breathless*

...

(finally takes some breath after a while)

Thanks very much, davem! Shame I already have my own avatar, otherwise I'd use one of these... or should we all for solidarity "wear" one of the avatars for the day the book comes out?

But it still does not mean... (utilizes desktop wallpaper

)

Waiting impatiently for the screensaver

(trailer looks great. I never saw a trailer on a book before

)

davem · 04-05-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Thanks very much, davem! Shame I already have my own avatar, otherwise I'd use one of these... or should we all for solidarity "wear" one of the avatars for the day the book comes out?

Well, it took me about 50 attempts to get an avatar on here, so don't hold your breath. I've got the nice Beleg & Outlaws (I think that's what it is) as my desktop now.

Just waiting for the Tolkien Estate site now....

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-05-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by davem

I've got the nice Beleg & Outlaws (I think that's what it is) as my desktop now.

You mean that one where they are pointing arrows on him? I have that one too!

But I think it would be good to do something on the day of release, something like "come all wearing red hats", you know... and the avatars are actually the only one I thought of...

davem · 04-05-2007, 08:29 AM

Kind of interesting that in the little piece by CT on the site he refers to Morgoth as 'the God', when Tolkien himself stopped calling the Valar 'gods' in the 20's/30's? And the statement that CoH 'became the dominant story in his later work on Middle-earth.' is intruiging. I wonder why CoH came to be the 'dominant story' rather than Beren & Luthien? Or even Tuor & the Fall of Gondolin?

The Might · 04-05-2007, 09:05 AM

Wow!

Thanks davem!

*quickly goes to edit his avatar*

davem · 04-05-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Waiting impatiently for the screensaver

(trailer looks great. I never saw a trailer on a book before

)

I've managed to work out how to use the desktop illustrations as screensavers - save the one you want as a jpeg to desktop & select 'Desktop' as the source for the screensaver. Well, it works with macs anyway..

the phantom · 04-05-2007, 10:15 AM

*faints*

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-05-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by davem

I've managed to work out how to use the desktop illustrations as screensavers - save the one you want as a jpeg to desktop & select 'Desktop' as the source for the screensaver. Well, it works with macs anyway..

"NIce. But I think I'll wait for the F50." => Nice, but I think I'll wait for their screensavers, especially if they look similar to the Trailer

(but you probably won't be seeing me at the Downs so often then, because I'll be watching my screensaver)

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Originally Posted by The Might

Wow!

Thanks davem!

*quickly goes to edit his avatar*

Bye-bye, Serious - you don't stand a chance against Húrin!

The Might · 04-05-2007, 10:29 AM

Nah, Serious we'll be back soon, but for a while I'll stay in the Narn I Chin Hurin mood

drigel · 04-05-2007, 02:09 PM

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Well, I think it should be EVERYWHERE!!!!

I agree. Where are those eagle when you need them?

Fantastic to see the author's publisher finally dipping their toes in to the internet medium.

nicely done

William Cloud Hicklin · 04-06-2007, 07:44 AM

But I'm a trifle annoyed by this "oldest story of Middle-earth" business: untrue, whichever way you look at it.

Bêthberry · 04-06-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Christopher Tolkien

Against them he [Morgoth] sent his formidable servant, Glaurang, a powerful spirit in the form of a huge wingless dragon of fire

Well, I guess that will eliminate discussion of the wings variety.

Mithalwen · 04-06-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by davem

Kind of interesting that in the little piece by CT on the site he refers to Morgoth as 'the God', when Tolkien himself stopped calling the Valar 'gods' in the 20's/30's? And the statement that CoH 'became the dominant story in his later work on Middle-earth.' is intruiging. I wonder why CoH came to be the 'dominant story' rather than Beren & Luthien? Or even Tuor & the Fall of Gondolin?

For your second question, the simple answer is that it is the most memorable and dramatic story - I didn't reread the Silmarillion for a long but the story of Turin stayed clearest in the memory.

As for the first... maybe CT is rooting for the wrong side

!

Seriously, having just read the Milton Waldman letter in its long form at the start of the Silmarillion second edition, I think it is just using a term which is perhas more understandable than "(angelic) powers", to those who don't perhaps know the Sil but have encountered Norse / Classical mythology..... however it surely should not have been capitalised ...how intriguing if CT did so himself!!!!

davem · 04-06-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

For your second question, the simple answer is that it is the most memorable and dramatic story - I didn't reread the Silmarillion for a long but the story of Turin stayed clearest in the memory.

It was also the story that was most directly inspired by the Kalevala, which seems to have been the great inspiration for Tolkien to begin the Legendarium. I wonder what that tells us. Did Tolkien feel more affinity for the themes in that story. I still find it odd that Beren & Luthien (with such a personal importance for Tolkien) wasn't the one he wanted to bring to a conclusion, or Tuor, which if Garth is correct was directly inspired by his wartime experiences. CoH seems to have been the one of the three Great Tales that had no 'autobiographical' aspect to it.

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Seriously, having just read the Milton Waldman letter in its long form at the start of the Silmarillion second edition, I think it is just using a term which is perhas more understandable than "(angelic) powers", to those who don't perhaps know the Sil but have encountered Norse / Classical mythology..... however it surely should not have been capitalised ...how intriguing if CT did so himself!!!!

Its odd for CT to use the term 'God' or even 'god' at all - was Morgoth ever classed among the 'gods' even of the early Sil? I'm wondering if that little piece will appear on the flyleaf of CoH? Of course, Morgoth is the only 'divine' power to appear in the story as far as I recall (are any of the Valar even mentioned in the tale?).

Mithalwen · 04-06-2007, 02:36 PM

Yes I think so - the Valaquenta says he was counted "no longer "among the Valar and in the letter Tolkien says that the word Valar is "englished" as gods.

04-05-2007, 07:12 AM	#1
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Drop Everything Right Now!!! http://tolkien.hcp-uk.co.uk/ Desktops, avatars STUFF AND a TRAILER for the book http://tolkien.hcp-uk.co.uk/thechildrenofhurin.aspx __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

04-05-2007, 07:25 AM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Moving to N&N, as this is an announcement rather than a discussion - please drool there! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

04-05-2007, 07:43 AM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	WOW! breathless ... (finally takes some breath after a while) Thanks very much, davem! Shame I already have my own avatar, otherwise I'd use one of these... or should we all for solidarity "wear" one of the avatars for the day the book comes out? But it still does not mean... (utilizes desktop wallpaper ) Waiting impatiently for the screensaver (trailer looks great. I never saw a trailer on a book before ) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-05-2007, 08:29 AM	#7
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Kind of interesting that in the little piece by CT on the site he refers to Morgoth as 'the God', when Tolkien himself stopped calling the Valar 'gods' in the 20's/30's? And the statement that CoH 'became the dominant story in his later work on Middle-earth.' is intruiging. I wonder why CoH came to be the 'dominant story' rather than Beren & Luthien? Or even Tuor & the Fall of Gondolin? __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

04-05-2007, 09:05 AM	#8
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Wow! Thanks davem! quickly goes to edit his avatar __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

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04-05-2007, 10:29 AM	#12
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nah, Serious we'll be back soon, but for a while I'll stay in the Narn I Chin Hurin mood __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-06-2007, 07:44 AM	#14
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	But I'm a trifle annoyed by this "oldest story of Middle-earth" business: untrue, whichever way you look at it.

04-06-2007, 02:36 PM	#18
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes I think so - the Valaquenta says he was counted "no longer "among the Valar and in the letter Tolkien says that the word Valar is "englished" as gods. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace