Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Boromir88]

Anything past Thinlo's response here:

She told us that she voted Cel.

I haven't read yet because there was a slight discrepancy with SPM's vote count:

Brinniel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 4)

And if we look SPM was correct:

Deadline is almost here, so I will be submitting my vote now.

++Rikae

So, what happened Thinlo?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

So, what happened Thinlo?

Oops! I've been quite careless. I made a mistake, that's what happened.

[Durelin]

I didn't state my vote because I didn't vote. Of course there's no way to prove that. Whatever.

You know, this whole the vampires don't get to vote thing really isn't an advantage to the villagers. It might be a little bit of a disadvantage for the vampires, but at the same time it helps keep them extremely clean - we can't really get much dirt on them based on their votes, because they're not really voting. About the only warning signs we'd get is if the stated votes added up give a different result than the kill, and the chances of that happening at this point are very slim. And still then we'd only know that there's almost definitely a vampire in a certain voting group....

Basically, I think we're screwed.

Man, there are way too many people and way too many posts. Tonight I should have some time, though, so I'll come up with my vote then and let everyone know...well, unless I get up tomorrow to vote. But either way I promise to let everyone know when I vote. And I will vote this time....I won't let all you other innocents slowly kill each other off by yourselves....

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Lommiella

She told us that she voted Cel.

Did I get this wrong? I thought she said that she voted for Rikae. I will check.

If I am right about Brinniel's vote, however, it raises the question (in my mind at least) whether a Vampiric Rikae would have been so bold as to target someone who had voted for her.

Assuming that Mac and Sleepy are telling the truth, updated "voting record" for yesterDay is as follows:

Celuien: Kitanna (Kitanna 1)
Menel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1)
Sixth: Gil (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1, Gil 1)
Gil: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1)
Legate: Sixth (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1)
Rune: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 1)
Rikae: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2)
Boro: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1)
Lomiella: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 1)
Eomer: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 2)
Roa: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 3)
Aganzir: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 4)
Brinniel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 4)
Nogrod: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)
SPM: Kitanna (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)
Mac: Legate (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4)
Sleepy: Rune (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4, Rune 1)

No vote stated: Xyzzy, Di, Shasta, Kitanna, Durelin, Glirdy

I have added Mac and Sleepy on the end as there is no indication as to when they voted. I note that, despite posting already toDay, Shasta did not take the opportunity to tell us how he voted.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Point taken SPM. However, I do think it unlikely that a vampire will claim to have voted privately for Celuien.

Fair enough, although it would have provided an opportunity for a possible Vampire slip.

Originally Posted by Lommiella

Funny, Sauce, when you explained your claimed over-defensiveness, I started to consider you slightly over-defensive, even though I hadn't though so yesterDay...

Remember, I was not around to respond to those points yesterDay, so addressing them toDay means dealing with them all "in one go", as it were.

I share Boro's misgivings over Shasta's attempt to identify those who came under suspicion yesterDay. It looks off to me too.

Edit: Crossed with Boro, who confirmed Brin's vote for Rikae

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Menel

Celuien's death was probably due to Vampirish influence.

This certainly merits further consideration. I am somewhat at a loss to see why Celuien became such a prime target in such a short space of time, especially as I shared her misgivings over Kitanna's "confusion". However, as I have said, I do think it would have been risky for a Vampire to state a vote for Celuien, and it looks unlikely that one did on the figures we know. I am not ruling it out entirely, but I think it unlikely.

[Boromir88]

I've found something that was rather peculiar...yesterday Shastani said this in post 16:

"Calm, you two... this early on, I doubt there's much of anything in the way of evidence to go on. There's no real point in accusing each other when there's no proof of guilt or innocence whatsoever."

To which I responded in Post 39:

I think accusations reveal the character of a person, and I find accusations to be about as helpful as anything (besides blind luck) on Day 1. I find accusations to be a good thing, so I think it's awkward Shastani, you are telling us to not do it.

A bit later on Legate said to me in Post 43:

Well I think we'd agree that without accusations we'd get nowhere. However, the ones who care the most on getting someone under any suspicion are the Vampires. So I find Shastani's comment rather in place, or at least I see it "unharmful".

I had cross-posed with Gil today, but as we both picked up Shasta had left Legate out of the 'suspicious' list of yesterday. Which I find to be really odd looking at the considerate amount of suspicion Legate came under yesterday. Now Legate wasn't likely to be lynched, but I have no reason to doubt Mac saying he voted for Legate (seeing as he had consistantly expressed worries about Legate), plus several others commenting on being 'uneasy' about Legate. I mean from the tallies yesterday Legate did receive 3 votes.

There is a connection between these two that I find to be extremely vampiric looking. Legate slightly defends Shasta saying his comment was in line...and then today Shasta leaves Legate out of his list today. Perhaps attempting to get people to focus on Rikae, Gil, and SPM as suspects?

(Though I encourage anyone to stop me if they believe I'm making too much out of nothing). However, do we have a vampire connection between Legate and Shasta here?

Edit: x-ed with Rikae

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

(Though I encourage anyone to stop me if they believe I'm making too much out of nothing). However, do we have a vampire connection between Legate and Shasta here?

Hmm... perhaps if we vote off one of them, then the other's true colours will show itself? but it depends on who really...

but what is bothering me is Diamond, pops in, explains vote for legate, then votes for nogrod with no reasoning behind it... i don't like it, sounds like a vampire trying to ward off votes on a susepcted vampire(legate) and move it onto Nogrod. done very poorly though...

thats the thing that bugs me most, the no-reason suspision of Nogrod... it seems to poor... perhaps a trap...

but in conclusion

Legate+Shasta= vampire pair, if we lynch one of them,and he turns out to be a vampire, then we will have another vampire and Boom! two vampire dead and gone

Diamond: jumping from Legate to Nogrod with no explanation... confused innocent? desperate vampire? or a very sneaky vampire trying to play dumb to fool us all...

xed: with di's second post