Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-01-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by me

Er, we will know if Kitanna is what she claims to be if we lynch Eomer (which we are well on the way to doing) and he is proven to be a Vampire.

Scrub that. As Di noted, there is a possibility that both Eomer and Kitanna are Vampires (and the Shade remains hidden), although its highly improbable.

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Originally Posted by Boro

I honestly think that we should just forget about the Celuien votes, as evil vampire Eomer was behind that.

But I am not basing my reasoning on Eomer's Lynch Seer revelation. I am basing it on the fact that, if Nogrod is true, Rikae received three votes from known innocents, and a fourth from unknown Gil. Which means that Celuien must have received at least three votes, possibly four. Discounting Eomer's vote, only three people claimed to vote for Celuien - Lomiella, Roa and Aganzir.

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Originally Posted by Durelin

*doesn't want to believe it's Aganzir*

Me neither. I'm all for Boro's suggestion of discounting the unlikely and going for the likely, but the Celuien vote makes me wonder how the third Vampire can be Aganzir.

But, I agree that we should lynch Eomer toDay, and that gives us the rest of toDay and another Day after that to ponder the identity of the third Vamp.

Btw, I am still awaiting an apology from all of those who suddenly turned against me yesterDay with no solid evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that I came across as being helpful ...

Nogrod · 05-01-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Btw, I am still awaiting an apology from all of those who suddenly turned against me yesterDay with no solid evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that I came across as being helpful ...

That's the problem with you.

You're so helpful and your voting record is terrible and the way you refer to it with all those smilies - being the first to note that "I am such an suspicious one as well

" - made me feel more than suspicious of you. You're so ready to prevent any supicions by stating them yourself that it makes one wonder...

Not to say that you looked as helpful to the village, not only by mere words but performatively as well, that I thought you must be a vampire as I would have done the very same were I a vamp here...

But yes, I'm feeling a lot safer with you right now as the things are bubbling in other quarters. I indeed felt a little bad voting you even though I had you as my main suspect... For Legate (my last Night's hunted) I had much less in belief even though a bit more in reason... well what do you learn of that after all?

But as a hunter I will not say anything and reserve my right to hunt whoever I see fit for the next Night.

Durelin · 05-01-2007, 06:49 PM

Nogrod, we "know" you're the Hunter...you can stop reminding us in nearly every post...

I can still certainly stop believing you.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-01-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're so helpful ...

But don't you see that I cannot win by this logic? If I was not being helpful, you would be one of the first to remark on it and cast suspicion on me for it.

I mean, your comment yesterDay (#453) that I looked suspicious for having put forward ideas that worked against the Vampires was just ludicrous. How would you have me play? Silent, unhelpful and surly?

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

... and your voting record is terrible ...

Er, excuse me? I have voted for one more Vampire than you have (unless Rikae be false).

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're so ready to prevent any supicions by stating them yourself that it makes one wonder...

Yes, and if I did not state such things, then I would be labelled as suspicious for having tried to hide the fact that reasoning that I bring forward might implicate me.

Still, this is perhaps best saved for the afterthread, when we know what's what.

After all, for all you know, I might be a Vampire yet.

(I'm not, by the way - so I'm looking forward to that apology

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**The Saucepan Man** · 05-01-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Durelin

Nogrod, we "know" you're the Hunter...

You mean ... Noggie said that he's the Hunter ...? Blimey!

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-01-2007, 07:26 PM

would it be totaly wack to make a system where 2 our of

Gil
Aganzir
Xyzzy
Diamond
The Sixth

was told to vote for one person x and afterwards the 3 others was told to vote for another y. (each group voting for the same person)

If X dies we know that it was because that it reached 2 votes the first and that the wolf is in the second group, if Y dies it means that the vampire is in the other group,

Of course the fault with this plan is that it only works if we are sure there is a vampire in that group and we are not. . ..so actually you should just forget what I just said.

Well, I am going to leave the sugestion up, just in case it becomes relevant at some point.

Rikae · 05-01-2007, 07:37 PM

I'd say that's a good suggestion, Rune...if they would all do as we command ..

xyzzy · 05-01-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

I'd say that's a good suggestion, Rune...if they would all do as we command ..

I'd be willing to die to find the last Vampire. I like the idea.

Macalaure · 05-02-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Btw, I am still awaiting an apology from all of those who suddenly turned against me yesterDay with no solid evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that I came across as being helpful ...

Allow me to delay my apology until your innocence is written green on black.

I don't expect anything to happen that could change my vote, so: ++Eomer

Nogrod, if you hunt Aganzir tonight, it will only make you a marvellous aim for the vampire if Aganzir is innocent. But I guess Kitanna will be the nightly kill anyway. The ranger has to protect Rikae, and only by killing Kitanna the vampire will have a chance to kill Rikae the next night.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-02-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasta

SPM, I think, talking about the votes on Celuien... The tally of votes on Celuien is almost certainly false, given that Eomer was the Lynch Seer that day, and he's vampiric.

For about the fourth time:

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Originally Posted by me

But I am not basing my reasoning on Eomer's Lynch Seer revelation. I am basing it on the fact that, if Nogrod is true, Rikae received three votes from known innocents, and a fourth from unknown Gil. Which means that Celuien must have received at least three votes, possibly four. Discounting Eomer's vote, only three people claimed to vote for Celuien - Lomiella, Roa and Aganzir.

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Originally Posted by Lomiella

SPM and others who examine voting records: please don't bang your heads to the wall or anything even though the records don't make sense - there is always the possibility of some innocent stating a vote but forgetting to e-mail or pm the vote. I don't claim this is probable, but it's certainly possible.

Yes, I am well aware of that possibility. But it can apply to any of the votes. That said, it is more likely that one such mistake was made (the Celuien vote) than two (the Menel and Esspiem votes).

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-02-2007, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac

Allow me to delay my apology until your innocence is written green on black.

I'm looking forward to it ...

Thinlómien · 05-02-2007, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauce

This is doing my head in but, unless either Nogrod or Gil is a Vampire, there were four votes cast for Rikae on Day 1.

What if Gil really is the remaining vamp? That'd make sense about the Day1 votes.

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Originally Posted by Sauce

Btw - any other thoughts on how safe it is to assume that Glirdy never voted?

I think it's quite safe. I can't imagine him just pming or e-mailing a vote and saying nothing here on this thread. That is not his style. If he had participated in the game at all, I think he would have said something along the lines of "hi i'm here i'm terribly busy... sorry folks, i voted x btw" on this thread.

I think Aganzir is innocent. I mean someone else than me and Roa had to vote Cel, and the simplest solution is that it was Aga.

I have no idea who the final vamp is and I'm very confused because the voting records give contradictory evidence...

I need to think.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-02-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lomiella

What if Gil really is the remaining vamp? That'd make sense about the Day1 votes.

True, but it would not explian the discrepencies in the Day 2 and Day 3 votes.

Well, here's all the raw data we have, as far as I am aware:

Day 1

Di: Legate (Legate 1)
Celuien: Kitanna (Kitanna 1, Legate 1)
Menel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1, Legate 1)
Sixth: Gil (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1, Gil 1, Legate 1)
Gil: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Legate 1)
Legate: Sixth (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Legate 1)
Rune: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1)
Boro: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2)
Lomiella: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 1)
Eomer: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 2)
Roa: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 3)
Aganzir: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)
Brinniel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)
Nogrod: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4)
Esspiem: Kitanna (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4)
Mac: Legate (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 4, Celuien 4)
Sleepy: Rune (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 4, Celuien 4, Rune 1)
Xyzzy: Lomiella (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 4, Celuien 4, Rune 1, Lomiella 1)
Nogrod: Rikae not Legate (Kitanna 2, Rikae 4, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4, Rune 1, Lomiella 1)

No vote: Durelin, Shasta, Kitanna
No vote stated: Glirdy

Celuien is lynched – Eomer (Lynch Seer) reports 5 votes for Celuien

Day 2

Di: Nogrod (Nogrod 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1)
Shasta: Gil (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1)
Kitanna: Rikae (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 1)
Sixth: Rikae (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2)
Rikae: Legate (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 1)
Menel: Boro (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 1, Boro 1)
Rune: Menel (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 1, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Boro: Legate (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Roa: Nogrod (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Durelin: Boro (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 1)
Lommiella: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 2)
Aganzir: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 3)
Mac: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 4)
Esspiem: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 5)
Legate: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 6)
Nogrod: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 7)
Xyzzy: Rune (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 7, Rune 1)

No vote stated: Eomer, Sleepy, Glirdy

Menel is lynched - Nogrod (Lynch Seer) reports 5 votes for Menel

Day 3

Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Esspiem 1)
Shasta: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 1)
Boro: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 2)
Lomiella: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 3)
Kitanna: Eomer (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 3, Eomer 1)
Rune: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Esspiem 3, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Esspiem 4, Eomer 1)
Durelin: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 4, Eomer 1)
Mac: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 5, Eomer 1)
Nogrod: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 6, Eomer 1)

No vote stated: Eomer, Legate, Glirdy

Legate is lynched - Boro (Lynch Seer) reports 5 votes for Legate

Known Vampires in bold.
Known innocents underlined.
Shade underlined and itallicised.

Votes where timing unclear itallicised.

I'm in rather a hurry, so if anyone spots any msitakes, let me know and I'll re-post.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 05-02-2007, 05:49 AM

You're overlooking the most basic thing ever; I can't believe you haven't won the game yet.

Innocent, by the way. It almost certainly won't matter but ignoring all codes and such, innocent.

3 innocents and nothing else.

Treacherous scoundrel, Kitanna. After all we've been through, as well.

05-02-2007, 05:49 AM	#14
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	You're overlooking the most basic thing ever; I can't believe you haven't won the game yet. Innocent, by the way. It almost certainly won't matter but ignoring all codes and such, innocent. 3 innocents and nothing else. Treacherous scoundrel, Kitanna. After all we've been through, as well. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

05-01-2007, 06:49 PM	#3
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Nogrod, we "know" you're the Hunter...you can stop reminding us in nearly every post... I can still certainly stop believing you.

05-01-2007, 07:37 PM	#7
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I'd say that's a good suggestion, Rune...if they would all do as we command ..