All those "Good" Guys

[DaughterofVana]

Bekah:

A wrong action may be taken if one takes one's eyes off God (as I, unfortunately, often do) - and as long as it is without perverted intent - maliciousness, anger, lust, the list goes on - it is not wrong.

Eh. Maybe what you mean is that taking wrong actions doesn't make you necessarily "evil" in the way a person is who *intentionally* does wrong-doing. The actions are wrong in themselves--maliciousness, anger, lust. Mostly because the feelings themselves are perversions.

Maliciousness: a perversion of the want to correct a wrong

Anger: a perversion of not liking a wrong

Lust: a perversion of physical love.

To succumb to these wrong-doings doesn't make someone "evil"... refusing to correct the wrong, not having any guilt for the wrong-doing, not seeking repentance, and delighting in the wrong-doing is what makes a person have "evil" tendencies. Maybe you meant that and just phrased it wrong. Or maybe you meant it that way, in which I would love to hear your viewpoint. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

if Melkor could not create things of his own, only pervert and bend things to his will, and he had Sauron as his disciple, would it be possible that Sauron was really just a nice guy that had no choice in his actions and was simply being twisted and used by Melkor?

Possible, except for this statement:

that had no choice in his actions

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Everyone has a choice whether or not to be evil. Even Sauron. Since he chose to make Melkor his "god" instead of the Vala and Eru, then he chose his evilness. This is how it always works. A person will always chose to be evil or not--they may not *think* a choice is there, but there always is.

Anyone want to give their thoughts on the orcs, though?

(Bekah: you had a lot of guts to say what I think other people were wanting to say on this thread. The "J" word isn't taken too kindly sometimes. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )

Sincerely and Fundie-ly,

-'Vana

PS: CS Lewis is the man!

[ May 14, 2003: Message edited by: DaughterofVana ]