WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Volo

But back to the roles:

I think Rikae would want to make a balanced game and that the roles aren't 100% randomed. It might also be probable that she didn't give people the roles they have very often or in the preveous games.

I don't like this sort of argument. I don't like it at all. It's the worst kind of meta and vague speculative reasoning I have ever seen. Not only do we not know how Rikae chose her roles, of course, but discussing it is simply wrong. It might even lead to the right conclusion in the end, but it shouldn't be part of in-game arguments, and as far as I remember it has never been so far in past games.


And what's even worse, some of your conclusions are simply wrong, and you know it:

Lommy - Ranger/Assassin (dead)
An old timer that hasn't been a Ranger for a long long time.

The role of the assassin is close to the role of the hunter, and Lommy has been one recently.

Volo - Medium
A relative newbie that has never before been Seer.

You're too humble, Volo.

SPM - Cobbler
One of the oldest timers.

Indeed, and probably the one with the best cobbler-reputation of all. You're contradicting yourself.

Anguirel
If he was instead of Kath as the Wolf, the teams wouldn't be balance.

Care to explain?

Diamond
Still debatable. She might be the Wolf, but given that she had a special role in the preveous game, I think that it's more probable that Kath is the Wolf.

This is purest speculation.

Aganzir
If she was instead of Kath as the Wolf, the teams wouldn't be balanced.

See Anguirel.


edit: and what does "makes little sense, but important!!" mean?

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, if the last two posts don't convince anyone who is telling the truth and who is not, I don't know what will. Pure speculation as to who might have been allocated what roles based on recent history sure ain't gonna help the village. And pure speculation based on past history which has been manipulated to the suit said speculator's own ends strongly smacks of Cobbleresque or lupine activity to my mind.

What's the matter Volo? Are you concerned that the facade of "evidence" that you started the Day with might be beginning to crumble under serious challenge?

Originally Posted by Volo

I think Rikae would want to make a balanced game ...

I do agree with this though. And a multi-lived Seer with double protection sure doesn't look balanced to me.

One further point occured to me. In the highly unlikely event that, contrary to all the evidence, Volo is telling the truth (and has misinterpreted the dream about me, which does after all refer to Samwise), lynching him will prevent a further innocent death toNight. Whereas, if Mac is telling the truth, lynching him will result in the death of two innocents before the morning. Either way we lose our Seer, but we will at least have two known innocents rather than one come the morning, if we lynch Volo and are wrong. In those circumstances, and given the evidence now accumlated, I am confident that we can defeat the Wolves, even without our Seer.

Originally Posted by Mac

Indeed, and probably the one with the best cobbler-reputation of all.

You are too kind, but I would argue that the honour still lies with TORE.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by SPM

You are too kind, but I would argue that the honour still lies with TORE.

That must have been ages before my time.


Looking up the vote count, again:

Volo: Mac (Mac-1)
Mac: Volo (Mac-1, Volo-1)
Legate: Mac (Mac-2, Volo-1)
Aganzir: Mac (Mac-3, Volo-1)
Kath: Mac (Mac-4, Volo-1)
Anguirel: Kath (Mac-4, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Diamond: Mac (Mac-5, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Sauce: Volo (Mac-5, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Gil: Mac (Mac-6, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Shasta: Volo (Mac-6, Volo-3, Kath-1)


- In order to lynch Volo and not me, we need two retractions from me to Volo.

- In order to lynch us both, we need either one retraction and Ang switching to Volo, or two retractions and Ang switching to me. The former is very improbable.

Of the ones who voted me, Volo, Legate and Gil are unlikely to retract. So is probably Aganzir, though I still haven't lost all hope.


Kath, Diamond, the decision is almost entirely up to you two. Make up your minds and decide carefully and wisely.

[Aganzir]

I daresay it's clear enough that Mac is a wolf and Spm something alike. No need to try to convince us of anything else...

Mac the seer, please sacrifice yourself with greater dignity.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Mac

I don't like this sort of argument. I don't like it at all. It's the worst kind of meta and vague speculative reasoning I have ever seen. Not only do we not know how Rikae chose her roles, of course, but discussing it is simply wrong. It might even lead to the right conclusion in the end, but it shouldn't be part of in-game arguments, and as far as I remember it has never been so far in past games.

Ok, sorry sorry. Rikae, hit me with a hammer from above (PM) if you agree with Mac about that post being too much out-game.

Like I (probably) said before, it is in no way an argument and I'm not trying to convince anybody with it, not even everybody except you, Mac and SPM.

[Anguirel]

Yup. So, I'm not all that interested in what's going on, I like alarming people a bit, and I thought Volo's last couple of posts were silly in innumerable ways.

--KATH, ++VOLO

Whatevah. I'm going to go and reminisce with the ghost of my dear wife about the good old days when "lots of Gifteds" meant Seer-Hunter-Ranger...

[Volo]

So, I'm probably dead. Thanks a lot.

But what I do want to hear is if you think that the end of the post #357 is against the rules. Because if it is, I'm not going to do so anymore, and I'll delete that part (though that would probably also be illegal...).

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I'm not all that interested in what's going on

Spoilsport.

[Macalaure]

Anguirel, to be honest, I would have preferred to get your vote if you're so certain about the falseness of my claim. I'm honestly sorry that this game has lost its appeal to you.


Legate, I was pointing out that line of yours to show that you were not practicing what you were preaching. You wanted to keep people from doing "idle monologues", yet you were one of the worst who did.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Guys, the emoticon at the end designates that yes, my comment was just a joke.

I gotta wonder why certain people overreacted, though...

[Macalaure]

Well, I hoped that Kath and Di would return before the deadline and maybe retract their votes, but my hope is beginning to fade now.

Farewell sweet earth and northern sky.