WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

that is contradictery there, if we lynch the cobbler, we still lower our chances of capturing the wolf...

You seem to have forgotten that there are two Wolves left.
There are seven of us. If we lynch an ordo toDay, toMorrow there are only five left. And two of them would be Wolves and one the Cobbler. Ordos have pretty nice chances to win, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Gil

i must say that if we all agree SPM is the cobbler, then push him aside and focus on the wolf, we win if the wolf is dead, we needn't worry about the cobbler

That's not true, and to me it seems that you're trying to mislead us. I don't agree he's the Cobbler. Not without better evidence than what Volo gave us, because Volo's piece of evidence might as well point to the Cobbler as to a Wolf.

Originally Posted by Gil

now my question to you Aganzir, why are you so strong on getting rid of the cobbler if we know who he is? you surely must know that if we waste todays lynch on the cobbler then that gives the wolf another day to strike.

Like I said, we have no way to prove that Spm really is the Cobbler unless we lynch him. We may assume so, but it's not a fact. Acting cobbler is the only thing he can do now, after Volo revealed what was written about him. He's avoiding lynching, and even you Gil should agree in this.
And you should have no reason to worry about this, because it will be me, not you, who shall be slaughtered next Night.

edit: xed with Ang

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gil

because i was really unsure of either of them, and to play it safe, double lynching helps us rather then take the chance of allowing another wolf to live and cause more mayhem, now only one wolf lives he/she will have trouble deciding who to kill because now he/she won't have any second opinion

Oh, I see. But you considered Mac suspicious enough to vote him on Day3.

[Anguirel]

Personally I would suggest double-lynching Sauce and one suspect if possible - at present I would advocate Kath. It would be frustrating to end today with only the relatively small fish of a Cobbler, (which I agree Sauce might be more than) and not to slay a third wolf.

[Aganzir]

No double lynching, please.

If Sauce's the Cobbler and we lynched him & an ordo, we would lose. I think it's better not to take a risk.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Personally I would suggest double-lynching Sauce and one suspect if possible - at present I would advocate Kath. It would be frustrating to end today with only the relatively small fish of a Cobbler, (which I agree Sauce might be more than) and not to slay a third wolf.

this does not help you one bit Ang... a double lynching will only help the wolves unless we double lynch both wolves...

so, as far as i take it

innocent: Aganzir, Legate

Potential Cobbler: SPM

Everyone else:

Shasta
Ang
Kath
Gil
Di

shasta has been rather quiet through this whole game so i am less inclined to him... my main bet is Ang because this post is really just putting it out there... but then a thought came, if we lynch Ang and he turns out to be a cobbler, then perhaps SPM will be cornered as being one of the wolves...

so my suspicous list include:

Ang and SPM

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

but then a thought came, if we lynch Ang and he turns out to be a cobbler, then perhaps SPM will be cornered as being one of the wolves...

I would love to hear why we should take the risk of losing by lynching Ang, when Spm is a sure case. Why not lynch him now, and then concentrate on Ang or whoever the main suspect then is?

And Legate is unfortunately dead.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Spm is almost definately the cobbler, but if we absolutely have to look anywhere else, I suggest looking at Ang.

Haven't heard very much from Di; maybe I'll take a closer look at her.

Kath, oddly enough, seems innocent-ish to me... of course, I haven't played with her before, so I could be being misled.

Gil is by far the most suspicious to me at least, based on yesterday's end-of-day retraction to Volo, and some of today's posts.

Aganzir is definately innocent.

Since today has been designated for house-cleaning, I can't be on any longer today, although I'll be able to get on tomorrow to change my vote if need be, but I thought I'd go ahead and vote....

++Gil

I'll be on before the deadline tomorrow, and I'll retract and vote for Spm if everyone decides to get rid of the cobbler.

*picks up a featherduster and gets to work.... sigh*

[Aganzir]

Sorry, but I just had to bring this up again. Just for my own fun, you know, I don't expect it helps us toDay.

Originally Posted by Espiem after Boro's death

So, assuming that there were two Wolves among the Legate voters, then I consider one of Rune, Aganzir and Diamond to be a Wolf.

Legate voters were Shasta, Spm and Boro.
Spm meant to say Boro voters, but everyone has heard of Freudian slips.

I must say I don't like Shasta's vote. I think Gil's somewhat suspicious, but toDay it's of greatest importance to know who we are going to kill before being hasty.

It's a 1/3 chance of Gil being a Wolf or Ang being a Wolf or anyone else being a Wolf, but it's 50-50 chance that Spm is one.
Killing an ordo toDay leads to everybody's death, except the Wolves' and the Cobbler's.
Killing the Cobbler wins us more time. Killing a Wolf wins us more time.
I would rather see the Cobbler dead than witness the village losing because everybody thinks fitting to vote someone they suspect the most. It's time for cooperation.

If you indeed are an innocent, Shasta, I strongly recommend to retract and vote Spm! It's 2 Wolves + the Cobbler against four innocents, and if even one ordo votes another ordo, we're doomed.

It's annoying as well for me as for you to see me repeating the same things, but I can't help it. Our remaining Wolves are not stupid, and neither is our Cobbler. They will mislead you, given the chance.

[Kath]

I was less confused Aganzir and more banging my head on the desk in despair. When I opened the thread to see both Volo and Mac claiming to be the Seer I felt my heart drop 'cause it was going to be yet another day of yoyoing between two people.

But anyway, as for suspicions. Gil is pretty high on my list after that little stunt he pulled yesterDay when he caused the double lynch.

Sauce is either the Cobbler or a wolf and if we manage to get a wolf toDay I think we need to go double-or-quits tomorrow and double lynch him and someone else.

Who that someone else is I'm not yet sure. I want to say Ang but that's just a spiteful reaction. Who is actually cleared? As far as I recall it's only Aganzir now right? And we know Sauce is guilty, which leaves:

Shasta
Ang
Kath
Gil
Di

I wonder if Shasta warrants a closer look. Haven't heard a great deal from him and with four wolves it wouldn't be strange to have another slip-under-the-radar one.

Ugh, I don't know. Gut says Ang or Di, especially since the later has an excellent cover with her unfortunate RL circumstances.